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Storvi
Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 12:11 am:

ani lagna ahe mhanoon ti thambliye?

Rachana_barve
Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 1:34 am:

sTÜ Aga [qao Amaoirkot sauwa extramarital affairs vaaT samajatat. lagnaaAaQaI vaa+ola to caalat pNa ekaca jaÜDIdarabarÜbar AayauXya GaalavaNyaacaI concept mhNajao lagna. Aata tumhI dovaba`amhNaasamaxa kra ikMvaa naka kÉ. hÜNaarI maulaÊ ek maanasaIk sqaOya- AaiNa baakI vaaT gaÜYTIMnaa AaLa basavaNyaasaazIcaI hI prMpra.
pNa malaa ho naahI pTt kI lagnaaAaQaI Anaok laÜkaMbarÜbar vaYa- dÜna vaYa- iÔrayaca AaiNa sagaL kahI krayaca AaiNa maga Vyaca saÜDuna. maaJaI ek Amaoirkna maOi~Na JaalaI hÜtI maI itlaa ivacaarla kI kaya ga iktI boyfriends Jaalao Aa<apya-MtÆ tI mhNaalaI kI sahsaa maulaaMnaa nakÜ Asat lagna maulaIMnaa hva Asat. Aata (aca karNa malaa za]k naahI.. pNa hI laÜkhI Ôar kahI sauKI Aahot Asa vaaTt naahI

Boli
Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 2:27 am:

gammat mhaNje, regular marriages nakot yanna... live-in kariche aahe.
paN dusrya prakarchya, mhaNje tasale marriages legal karun pahijet.

vishayantar zhale asel tar maafhi chahate hain.

Nirakar
Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 2:49 am:

and then there is the other extreme of commitment, where I have seen couples where husband has an affair and the woman continues to live with this guy 'coz that's what's expected of her. >>> He Kuthalyahi Hindi malikechi story aahe. Pidhani pidhya popular agadi aaj suddha bhartiya bayakkna avadnari :-)

Pavi
Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 3:47 am:

amchya nashik madhe 'Purush Hakk Sanrakshan Samiti' barich active ahe, jamlyas tyanchi ekhadi sabha attend kar nantar bhartiya bayakan baddal che tuzhe mat kalav.
e.g.
http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19970731/21250343.html

Storvi
Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 6:16 pm:

rachana exactly my point, amuk kelya andadhunda kami hote vagaire he dialogs kitihi aikayla chan watle tari fact is that is not true. shevti kashyane konala fayda hoto, ha jyacha tyacha prashna ahe, to amuk kelyanech hoto ani tech kele pahije ase samajane tyachyavar bandhan anta kama naye, karan kuthlach marga sukhachi hami det nahi. tar mag hyaatach samajacha bhala ahe asa sangnyacha attahas ka?
ani andadhundi mhaje kay? vivah-bahya/ekapeksha jasta vyaktinshi sambandha? te vivah sanstha astannahi astat ani nastannahi astat. mag vivah sanstha kay sadhtat? je tyala bujun rahatat, tyancha kondmara hoto, ani je tyanna jumanat nahit tyancha kahich vaeet karat nahi... so what did we gain? tevha jyanna watata ki lagna karava tyanni karava, ani itaranni sodun dyava... pan hyane samajacha rhas hoto vagaire statements karoo nayet.. karan kay ki vivah-sanstha strong astannahi asle so-called "anaitik" sambandha astatachki...
my point is there is no basis for statements like "vivah sansthe mule andadhundi kami hote"

Storvi
Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 6:29 pm:

Boli, the fight to legalize gay/lesbian marriages has nothing to do with social acceptance and more to do with fallability of the legal system.
The legal system does not recognize same ••• partners to be spouses hence, people can't claim them as their spouses on medical insurances and a ton of other such places, including tax-forms.
so while they are living like any married couple they are denied the rights of married couple by law. they have to end up paying higher taxes, higher insurances, etc. and that is the main problem. They don't care about social acceptance because I have known and worked with such couples, and they have no shame in openly accepting even declaring their relationship, and they don't care what people say. Infact, people are slowly coming to grips with the situation and you will see that more and more people are becoming tolerant to this.
now there are some institutes here and there who erecognize such relationships, like my company offers health benifits to spouse/partner.. but since they are not required by law, they are few and far between. Hence the big bru-haha...

Rachana_barve
Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 6:41 pm:

ok ho maanya Aaho sTÜ kI manaacao baMQana maÜzo. lagna Jaalao AsaÜ Aqavaa nasaÜ. pNa US maQao divorce culture yao]na gaolao. %yaanao Ôar kahI kÜNaacaa Ôayada Jaalaa Asa vaaTt naahI. jyaaMnaa lagna nakÜ Asaola ikMvaa %yaaMnaa Ka~I nasaola kI AapNa ek~ rhatÜ %yaaMnaI maula hÜ] doNyaa AQaI ivacaar kravaa karNa navara baayakÜ ekmaokaMcaa ikithI itrskar krt Asalao trI maulaaMnaa Aaplyaa Aa baabaaMba_la p`oma Asatoca.
kalaca TIME maQao laoK vaacalaa %yaat ilaihlao hÜto love is like a vacation and marriage is like a job. you have to work on it to keep it. Some times overtime too.

Boli
Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 6:42 pm:

Storvi, I agree with what you say.

What I meant, was people want to legalize what is really really unnatural.
But at the same time, some other people do not want a legal binding, for their natural relationship.

Basically there are 2 different benefits, for 2 different sets of people. Now tommorrow people of same ••• will get into legal marriage, just to avail the benefits, without actually being a gay/lesbian.

I am somehow not able to put forward my exact point.

Parijat
Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 6:54 pm:

Lagna sanstha ka nirmaan zalee asel yacha vichar kela tar mala vatata kee ..most imp issue must've been stability.

mala vatata ke jar lagna sanstha nasatya tar konavarahee nirbandh rahile nasate ..
lagna sanstha asunahee kaay kamee andadhundi ahe ya prashnacha mala vatata uttar asach ahe kee je lok andadhunda vagatat tyani
lagna na karatahee tech kela asata..they aren't worth a stable relationship.
shevatee lagna mhanje kaay?
partners vow to live together and to make each other happy..ppl living together also promise the same things but maybe not in public...jenva aapan mhanato ki "devabramhanan samaksha lagan lagala" tenva we just create a record of the relationship and according to our religious culture wish the couple lots of luck for their relationship .
ani mala vatata kee hya saglya mule manavar ek sanskaar hoto .
lagnamule mulna stable ghar milata ..I know there'll be debate abt this too...but its a very obvious thing.

Nirakar
Friday, January 23, 2004 - 2:17 am:

Lagna sanstha ka nirmaan zalee asel yacha vichar kela tar mala vatata kee ..most imp issue must've been stability.>>>
He wakya fakt Bharatatach khare aahe. Sto mhanate tya pramane manache bandhan mothe. lagana houn jar baher sambandha thevale tar te fakt apalya deshat chalatat, ethe nahee. Hyache karan bhartat ajunahi stri swtahachya payavar ubhi nahee. Jithe aahe tithech tumhala ghatosphotache praman jast disel.
Stability mhnaje kay? majhya matanusar tyache dusare nav aahe KONDMARA. Tumhi eka mekanna avadat nasalat tarhi ekatra raha right?

BTW: aplayakade lagna sanstha majabut aahe ase apan mhanato nahee ka? mag saglya popular TV malikkan madhe vivahbahya sambadh ka dakhavatat? ani tyach ka popular hotat?Ani tehi Bayakat? Manasikdrustya he keval kondmaruachech laksha aahe ase tumhala vatat nahee ka??
What's the use of stability if one needs to sacrifice/ruin ones life?

Ksha
Friday, January 23, 2004 - 9:03 am:

>>Storvi, I agree with what you say.
>>What I meant, was people want to legalize what is really really unnatural.

It is not unnatural ..
how did you come to the conclusion that its "really really unnatural" ?? homosexuality is not only observed in human beings but also in animal kingdom. Its been there for ages and its only hypocritical nature of the society that has forbidden us to talk or even think about it, which also stopped us TILL DATE to talk about ••• openly (did u notice those three dots automatically appearing instead of THE word in my post ?? !!! :-) ). In my view, anything that is so called "unnatural" cannot exist in nature.. forget about its existence in human kind irrespective of race or culture.
Sorry for the change of subject, but couldnt stop myself after looking at this childish comment.

Boli
Friday, January 23, 2004 - 3:04 pm:

Okay, might be a childish comment.
I have this thinking as such relationships, cannot be helpful for progress.
Might be I have very less knowledge on this subject. I need to updae myself :-)

Storvi
Friday, January 23, 2004 - 5:32 pm:

ksha, I was about to say that homosexuality, that it's not unnatural.

boli, why should it be bad for progress? I fail to fathom. and it's definitely not unnatural, neither is it a new phenomenon. Ancient greeks, have also been known to practice it(I have no idea if it was a taboo then). It has been in existence for centuries now. It's only now that people have begun to talk about it openly.

The issue with stability is again a matter of perception. There was a time when polygamy was considered ok, and that was stable then. As times changed, polygamy was rejected an monogamy is stable now. And as time changes our notions of stability are bound to change also. So to keep harping on marriage as a way to insure stability is really futile if you ask me. Because no society can ever guarantee stability to anyone and that is the only stable point.

Rshubha
Friday, January 23, 2004 - 6:03 pm:

lagna saMsqaocaa AjaUna ek hotU Aaho tÜ m*Najao maalakIh@k AaiNa vaarsaah@k yaaMcao inayamana. yaat kovaL maR%yaunaMtr kÜNaalaa saMp<aI imaLto evaZoca zrt naahIÊ tr ijavaMtpNaI tumacyaa Eamaavar kÜNaacaa h@k Aaho hohI zrtoÂ ivaXaoYatÁ maulaaMcyaa²

Storvi
Friday, January 23, 2004 - 6:26 pm:

Shubha, ha aplya legal system cha flaw ahe(aplya mhanje saglyanchyach) tyala upay kay te mala mahit nahi, pan malkihakka sathi lagna karna he relationship sathi changla asu shakat nahi
what we really need is a fundamental change in recognizing legal rights without the institution of marriage

Parijat
Friday, January 23, 2004 - 6:42 pm:

storvi,
I'm impressed..mala tuzee baju hee patate ani virudhha bajuhi patate :-)mala
pulanchya "bemtya" sarakha vatata ahe .

Rachana_barve
Friday, January 23, 2004 - 6:47 pm:

pNa malaa ek kLt naahIyao sTÜ tu mhNatosa tsa ekaca jaÜDIdarabarÜbar rhayaca AaiNa lagnaca kola pahIjao Asa naahI AaiNa baakIcao jao law Aaho lagnaanaMtr maalakIh@k tohI pahIjaot vagaoro. maga lagna (a saÜpskaraba_la ka evhZa problem Æ

Storvi
Friday, January 23, 2004 - 6:49 pm:

mala problem tya institution baddal mulich nahiye.. like I said jyanna hava tyanni to karava... my problem is the insistence that it keeps society in check(whatever that means) and that it is the right thing to do. maza problem lagnachya imposition var ahe.

Boli
Friday, January 23, 2004 - 7:15 pm:

somtime back there was a demand for laws same as marriage laws, for live-in relationships.
tar mag, as Rachana says marriage-rights paN pahije paN lagna nako, aaise kaise ho sakta hain. Sounds correct.

Though not related to the BB :
When we were developing a s/w in India, for a US client, some Column values were very new for us. ex. "Marital Status" : Single, Married, Seperated, Divorced, Widow, etc, etc.

Now similarly a new requirement, may come.
"Gender" : Male, Female, This, That....

Might be again there is some problem here...

Storvi, your greek thing is right.
But say, after a while, if such relationships consitute 50% or more of the total existing relationships, then population growth tar reduce hoil khare.

Limboni
Friday, January 23, 2004 - 7:18 pm:

imposition Ô> lagnaacaoca Asato Asao tulaa ka vaaTto ST Æ maagao ekda maI laÜksa<aamaQao AnauraQaa gaanaUMcaa laoK vaacalaa hÜta %yaanaI %yaanaa Amaoirkot p`amau#yaanao jaaNaavaNaaáyaa teen age maQalyaa dating ba_la ilaihlao hÜto. ivaiXaYT vayaat dating krNyaacao pressure maulaamaulaInaa vaaTnao yaa samaajaat svaaBaaivak samajalao jaato yaaivaYayak tÜ laoK hÜta. AaiNa AapNa yaa samaajaat navyaanao samaavat Asatanaa hI baaba Aaplyaalaa KTkto Asa ekUNa %yaMcaa saUr hÜta AaiNa %yaavar ek pyaa-yahI %yaanaI saucavalaa hÜta. ³AnauraQaabaa tumhI ho vaacat Asaala tr please correct me if I am wrong .´

mhNajao jaÜDIdarIiXavaaya AayauYya jagaNao hI klpnaahI [qalyaa culture saazI qaÜDIXaI kmaIpNaacaI vaaTto. yaacaa Aqa- [qao ekTo rahNaaro naahIt Asaa hÜt naahI kI Baartat ijaqao lagnasaMsqaocao mah%va tulanaonao AiQak Aaho itqao Aivavaaiht AayauYya jagaNao Xa@ya naahI Asao hÜt naahI. lagna AavaXyak Asaa Aga`h nakÜ ho maanya. pNa institute maÜDIt kaQaNyaacaI BaaYaa malaa pTt naahI. espacially pyaa-yaI vyavasqaa nasatanaa. iXavaaya dÜnhIt samaajaacao³maaNasaacao´ sausaMsaÌtpNa ha samaana Qaagaa Aaho. AXaa isqatIt lagnasaMsqaocao gaOrÔayado GaoNaaro Aahot tsaoca [trhI baabaIMcao gaOrÔayado GaoNaar naahIt ho kXaava$naÆ

Rshubha
Friday, January 23, 2004 - 8:03 pm:

maalakIh@kabaabat [tko vaaT vaaTyacao karNa naahI. %yaabarÜbar jabaabdarI hI yaotocaÊ palanapÜYaNaacaI AaiNa saMrxaNaacaI. alimony ikMvaa pÜTgaI hI klpnaa %yaamaQaUnaca yaoto.

boli, I think, after a certain period (probably an year) live-in relationship is treated same as marriage. They can file the incometax jointly etc.

Storvi
Friday, January 23, 2004 - 8:30 pm:

ho ani tya alimonies bharlya jaat nahit, infact unpaid alimonies cha problem itka vadhlay ki tyasathi ek vegli lobby ubhi rahilye... so shevti kay? rules mannaryalach ahet.. jyanna satakaycha te sataktatach, so rules cha fayda konala?

Smita, apan ithe lagnavar bolat ahot, mhanoon lagna baddalche vichar. itaratra itar goshtinche vichar anushangane yetilach ki.

ani rahila prashna jodidarashivay jagnyacha.. tar tase jagoo naka asa konich mhanat nahiye... jaga pan apaplya matanusar, konachya bandhanakhali yeun nahi.
ata peer-pressure baddal apan ithe sarraas aikto pahato.. pan mag aplya mulanna tya pressure khalich jagne samaj-hitache ahe ase shikavto ka? nahina? tyanna tya pressure la tond dyayla ani swatahchi mata balgayla shikavto na? mug adult world madhye he map kasa ulatata? mag tithe matra samajachya pressure khali jagna hech samajachya pragati sathi yogya ahe ase apan kase mhanoo shakto? lagna he samajani ghatlela pressurach nahiye ka? ani tehi selective?
he mhanje CTBT treaty sarkha zala. jyanni sign keliye, tyanchyavar karvaya vagaire hou shaktat... na sahi kelelyanvar kay tyacha jaach asnar?

Manya
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 10:18 am:

Prasadp77
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 10:57 pm:

It sounds to me that this is part of same India Today article about Indian Se* Survey. (Ase lihinyache karan b'coz word turns red dots)

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