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maI pNa ekdÜna³ca´ kqaa vaacalyaa GD cyaaÊ AaiNa malaahI Kasa AXaa kahI %yaa vaaTlyaa naahIt.
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well kunala kay aavadave ha kharech jyacha tyacha prashna aahe.. pan aschiq there is a considerable no of Gauri fans.. mhanun ya BB cha prapanch itake tari manya aahe na?
mala tyanchya katha, kadambarya avadatat karan tya khup pramanik asatat, konachehi va kuthlyahi concept che udattikaran na karata tichya katha yetat. ha shaili cha bhag nahi tar vicharacha aahe. ani ya pramanik vicharabarobarach tyat ek disate ki conservative vicharanchi kadhihi khilli udavali jat nahi. tika jarur asate, he mala patat nahi yogya vatat nahi itake mhananyaparyant pan yahun pudhe ti tika karat nahi.
bharatatil sarva streeyanchya samasyanchyabaddal ti kay karate/karat nahi yavar tichi gunavatta tharavi ka? karan sarvanna patanare, avadanare, pelanare, pachanare ase kay asu shakate? ka stree samasyanchi documentary haviye? ani tyatunahi mala je janavate te mhanaje tichya likhanat streeya ya pratham manus asatat ani mag by gender streeya.. sookshmapane baghu jata kuthlyahi stree samasyechya mulashi streela manus mhanun nakarane ha problem disun yet nahi ka?
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he sagale mala vatanere mudde aahet. dumat shakya aahe. ithe kuthlehi generalisation karanyacha prayatna nahiye.
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Hi Neeraja (Ajjuka)
Mi dekhil Gouri Deshpandenchi 'pankhi' aahe. Tu mhanates te mala 100% patate. GD chya kathe babat ajun ek goshta mhanaje kathetil vyakti ekhadya paristhitit, vastavatil vyakti je karel tech karate. tyamule tya katha olakhichya, javalchya vatatat.
BTW tu tyanche 'Vinchurniche Dhade' he pustak vachale aahes ka? Surekh aahe.
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ajjuka, tu mhNatosa %yaacap`maaNao maI Ô> maaJao mat naÜMdvalao. malaa itcao ilaKaNa %yaacamauLo AavaDt naahI jyaamauLo keya laa AavaDto. It is fairly common place and practical . jarI [tr laoiKkaMnaI Asao AaQaI ilaihlao nasalaoÊ trI tumhI saQyyaacyaa society barÜbar itcyaa heroines naa sahjaca identify kÉ Xakta.
AaiNa ha Asaa BB AsaNyaat malaa kaihih Aaxaop naahI. :-)
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People, As said in the earlier post by KEYA that if the characters in her stories behave normally and will react to a particular situation the same way as it happens in real life then what is so special about her? Why is she called a revolutionary writer(bandkhor lekhika)? Somebody also said that people like her stories because her women characters are all "different".
Isn't she then in the same league as Shailaja Raje/Nayana Aacharya/Snehalta Dasturkar/Mangala Golbole kinda writers. Not even comparable to likes of Lakshmibai Tilak/Iravatee Karve/Shanta Shelke. (of-course these are my feeling only)
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People,
when I said her charachters behave normally, it means she does not glorify those charachters. Asa practical lihine he Shailaja Raje/Nayana Aacharya/Snehalta Dasturkar yani kele nahi. Jar tumhi tyanchya katha vachlya tar vishay purnapane vegale aahet he lakshat yeil. Bandkhor ashasathi mhanayche karan tila je vatate te ti pramanikpane, ugach 'lok kay mhanatil' yacha vichar na karata lihite. You can not compare her with Lakshmibai Tilak/Iravatee Karve/Shanta Shelke. Karan tighichi lihinyachi padhat, mul pind vegalach aahe. (BTW Iravati Karve mhanaje tichya Aai)
Shivay pratyekalach tichi shailee aavadayla pahije ase nahi.
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Keya, I have read most of her books and the only common thread/subject I have noticed is a woman in a dilemma/situation wherein she can not stay with her "less than better-half" as she is either treated badly by her husband/ingored by him or she is trying to find true love. Except a couple of articles in magazines and one book (Vinchurniche dhade) I have found only one subject. Are there any other subjects she has written on? KyKy vegalya-vishayan-var GD-ne lihile ahe te janyachee iccha ahe. Je vatate te lihite mhanun bandkhor ase asel tar, most of the writers can be called bandkhor as they have written what they felt was right. I did not compare her with any of the writers, I said she is not even comparable/not on par with them.
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Great !
saaih%yaacaa [tka sausau~ ivacaar krNaaro laÜk marazI BaaYaot Aahot trI yaa BaaYaocaI Aaja daÉNa Avasqaa kaÊ ha vaogaLa ivaYaya hÜla.pNa dÜna idvasaat evaZo ivacaar Aalyaacao vaacauna AanaMd Jaalaa .
mauLat saaih%yaaivaXayaI maaJao kahI maUlaBaut p`Xna Aahot. %yaacaI qaÜDIXaI klpnaa dotÜ.
p`Xna Asaa Aaho kIÊ caaMgalao saaih%ya kXaalaa mhNaayacaoÆ yaacao kahI inakYa zrvalaolao Asatat kI ha jyaacaa %yaacaa p`Xna AahoÆ
maaJyaa mato ha jyaacaa %yaacaa p`Xna hÜvaU Xakt naahI. kahI inayama AaiNa inakYa Asatat. maga to kÜNatoÆ malaa vaaTto to Asao..
1. saaih%ya ho p`amaaiNak Asaavao² p`amaaiNak mhNajao kayaÆ AaiNa kuNaaXaIÆ tr samaajaaXaI p`maiNak. mhNajao saaih%yaanao kahI ËaMtI GaDvalaI naahI trI kahI ivaQvaMsak inamaa-Na kÉ nayaoÊ hI ikmaana Apoxa. p`amaaiNak pNaacaI ikmaana patLI gaazlaI Asao mhNata yaola.
2. kahI trI navaIna doNyaacaI Xa@yata p`%yaok klaaËutI maQyao AsaavaI. mhNajao ikmaana samaaijak p`XnaaMcaI Ê maanavaI svaBaavaacaI AaiNa naa%yaacaI ikmaana jaaNaIva AsaavaI.³ pu. la. cao ilaKaNa yaamauLoca EaoYz zrto´.
3. BaaYaocaI ikmaana jaaNa AsaavaI. marazI BaaXaa dr 10 maOlaavar badlato Asao mhNatat. AapNa kXaaivaXayaI ilaihtÜ AahÜt ho laxaat Gao]na BaaYaocaa vaapr Asaavaa. AlaMkarIk BaaXaaca sauMdr Asato Asao naahI. tU PvaaTBar jyaovalaasa kI maaka Vova pavatÜÊ ho jaoMvha pÜTatUna yaoto toMvha sauMdrca Asato.
Asao kahI mau_o Aahot. Aqaa-t hI sagaLI maaJaI vaOya>Ik mato AahotÊ kuNaavarhI baMQanakark naahIt.
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now something about GD...
Milind,
I am not trying to glorify her. These are my honest feeling. To be great, u do not need to be "bandakhor" or "different than others". Just be your own , is the key. This what I found in Laxmibai Tilak & GD. They both are satisfying my thresholds of good literature ( what I have stated earlier. ) thats why I call her great/swayambhoo.
I am not expecting anybody in the world to represent/state/solve India's all types of problems. Beacuse it can not be. I fully agree that she represents problems of one perticular socity. But because of this only she is ordinary ordinary? If that is the criterian then no auther is good enough to get your appreciation.
what i have seen in her literature is that, though women in her stories are not having good life to live, they are still beleaving in human relation, good values of socity and they are ready to fight against evil. "ek abala ki kaun madad kar sakata hai" Asaa rDka saur naahIyao. most important is that she believes in relations of human beings beyond age/gendor/cast. I can prove it by giving example. You read "dustar haa ghat aaNi thaang" you can find what I am saying.I agree with ajjuka also . what she is saying is also right.
Milind let me know what u expect from a literature.because what we like and not, is basically depend upon it.
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Hallo everybody
When I thought of opening a BB of Gauri deshpande , I never thought that it would be providing so much SAHITYA_MANTHAN
Well , ithe kahi mudde clear karavese watatat :
1) Kind request for all : Guari deshpande ya baiivishayi ithe charcha abhipret nasun gauri deshpande ya LEkhikebaddal ahe
2) Tyat changali - waiit donihi mate madali geli pahijet pan Aapalya mhananyamagache vicharsutra sangitale tar changale
Ex: Ashish has wonderfully elaborated HIS concepts abt literature and then elaborated on Gauri's writing
3) NO PERSONAL BLAMINGS _ DIRECT / INDIRECT
4) Trying to put some of the material frm Gauris work onto this BB is most welcome.
5)Comparing , anylysing , criticising is all welcome but should always - always maintain a minimal level of efforts / study before we put our opinion.
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What a confusing post? :) Doctor Could you please give examples in the stuff written above which you are referring to in your post. e.g. are there any posts which refer to her as a woman OR which posts does not have "vicharsutra" OR which post directly/indirectly blames her OR which posts display a lack of knowledge. If somebody has read just one book of her does that mean he/she can not put a post here. WHat is the minimum qualification for putting a post here? I think NONE of above posts by ANYBODY show a insensitive or casual remarks about her and almost everybody has read her work if not all of it. Let us not try to tell people what they should or not write. Hope I am not being very blunt because I thought we were/are having a healthy dicussion.
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Ashish
I agree to what you have written. I have already written about the things I like in GD's works e.g. her writing style and the things which I dont like abt her works. That would be enough I guess. I dont want to write what I like about/expect in lit. works on this BB. This is abt GD. The fact remains that she writes only on a subject on nothing different except a few articles.
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hi friends,
tumche discussion vachun mi GD chi 2 pustak vachali, ek VinchurNiche dhaDe ani 'NirgaTh'ani SakaLchya DiwaLi ankatala lekh hi wachala.
lekhan shaili chaN aahe, thoDishi bindhast vaLanachi, mala tar Shoba De chya lekhan shailishi miLati juLati waTali. paN NirgaTh' majhya dokyawarun gela.
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Hallo Milind ,
LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS.
I just wrote in my post that what kind of various activities can be undertaken in this BB . It was not pertaining to anybody specially as such . Also , the posts before this post are fulfulling most of requisites of good posts .
Still , has anybody tried to post actual work by Gauri deshpande ? NO - so , it can be done by any of us . Milind , one more point I have quoted that minimal level etc .... I does not mean that u should read all the books of GD etc. I just mean that remarks should not be done very casually . The very example of such is ur statement - What a confusing post ? after reading my post !!
This line is typical GD type line , nahi ? LOL
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Doctor .. thanks for the clarification.. accepted.
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milind,
we shall agree to differ !
but I think these kind of discussions will help us to read more carefully and analytically.
we will keep it up.
Thanx and regards,
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Aschiq, he Theekach ki tula GDche lekhan farse awadale nahee. paN commonplace mhaNaje kay, especially jewha too itar konee ase lihile nahee he manya karatos tewha!dusare ase ki yatharth chitran he balasthan mantat sahityache. So if we can identify the fiction with facts, its a great compliment!
Ashish sunder posting. chhanach lihilayas.
Milind-1, wiShaywaiwidhya he ek waishiShtya asate changalya sahityache. fakt tewadhe nasale ki sahitya samanya nahee tharat. yach muddyacha dusara bhag asa ki, kahee lok, they touch upon a myriad subjects in their literature whereas some fathom so far undescribed depths of a limited no. of subjects. may be, GD dusarya prakarat moDate. Stree-puruSh sambandha ya gahan wiShayachee anwat roope GDchya sahityat distat. Ani stree-purushancheehee - DHobaL eg. Terooo, terooo aNi lekhika, shami, mimi aNi tyanchya aeecha mitra, kalingaDmadhalee mulagee ni baap ----
Tulana wagaire karanyaitapat yogyata nahee mazee paN GD aNi Raje et al. yanchee tulana muLatach wyarth watate. taddan naTakee, black or white chitraN he tyanche waishiStya tar kamal khare mhaNoon sarwach pAtre gray he GDche. mag tyanchee tulana kashee karata yeeel? ulaTpakshee angabhoot winodachee jaaN, welhaL shailee, sadetoD pramaNik prakaTeekaraN, yatharth chitran ya waishiShtyanmuLe tiche likhaN Lakshumbaee et al. lokanchya likhaNache samandharmee Tharate. Ata tyachee uchcha-neechata wagaire jayane tyane kinwa sameekshakane Tharawayachee. mala te jamat nahee. mee fakt mala jaNawalele samyache dhage dakhawale.
mala swatahala ase waTate ki GDche likhaN ha atishay taLmaLeene chalawalela Atmashodh ahe. tyala samajache riwaj, parampara yanche tar soDach, aham-madhoon udbhawaNarya sankochachehee bandhan nahee.
Tichee so called banDkhoree ha tichya kamal pramaNikpanache bye-product ahe. stree-muktee, puruSh-dweSh , manaw-muktee asalee kuThaleehee begadee lable na dakawoon gheta manoos shoDHanyachya prayatnat tee je Adim prashna wicharate te puruShpradhan manawee samajachya adarsh stree sankalpanet basat naheet mhaNoon tee bandkhor itakech kay te!
Ata modern or modernising baeela tee jawaLachee waTate karan aajchee baee swatachya (mahanmangal matrutwashiway itar) Adim preraNana ghabaroon zaTakoon na Takata nidan kutoohal dakhawaNyaitakee dhiTawalee ahe. Aaj he dheeT wartuL chhote mhaNoon GD-war star-wishiSht lekhanacha arop hoto. Asha heech ki najeekchya bhawiShyat ya wartuLacha parigh zapatyane waDhel. tewha GDche likhaN waishwik starawarche gaNale jaeel.
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beti,
ya adeem prerananbaddal tu bolteyas na mhanun just ek reference dyavasa vatala.. mi sadhya stree-purush by Chhaya Datar he pustak vachatey pratyekane avashya vachave.... pustakacha jasti uhapoha mi ithe karat nahi karan basic reference ch asthani aahe!!
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beti,
I am just a fan of GD, but I think you are a passionate lover of her !
I request you all that while writting in Marathi, as far as possible please use devenagari font. Because it is very difficult to read Marathi which is written in english. And you can not understand fully what a writter wants to say.
beti, it took more than 20 minutes to read your 25-30 lines for me. I hope everybody will take it in correct sense. Atleast we can try !
regards,
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Beti has stated something about subjects the writter chooses for his/her literature,
%yaava$na ek Aazvalao. kÜNa%yaatrI eka iglaXa laoKkacaI maulaaKt Gaot Asatanaa %yaalaa %yaacyaa ivaYayavaOivaQyaaba_la ivacaarlao gaolaoÊ tÜ mhNaalaa kI maI kuzo kaya dr vaoLosa vaogaLo ilaihlao AahoÆ maI ekca ivaXaya p`%yaok vaoLosa navaIna p`karo maaMDlaa Aaho...
I think he was Shaw.
This is nowhere related to our discussion, but just to state, that honesty plays very important role. Atleast you should be honest to yourself.
And in this regard, I appreciate GD.
Can anybody tell who was that auther exactly?
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Ashish Beti Taiwaan madhe asate ani tichya machinewar chinese fonts install kelele aahet tyamule ti devnagarimadhe lihu shakat nahi. There is some configuration mismatch if I remember correctly.
Tu jasa jasa hitgujwar rulashil tashi tulahi mingraji vachayachi savay hoil. chinta karu nakos.
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Beti,
changle vishleshan keles. (aata mala kalale GDchya katha mala ka aavadtat te!!... just kidding)
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AaiNa malaa kLlao kI malaa ka AavaDt naaih to ´
Beti, I did not say that she is unique. there are others who write factual stuff. The good thing about GD is that she handles topics not handled by others.
If someone asks me to catagorize literature in three zones based on the ongoing discussion, I would do it as follows:
(1)People who write differently on uncommon topics
(e.g. Narayan Dharap)
(2) People who write differently on common topics, or typically on uncommon topics (GD)
(3) people who write typical stuff on common topics (most people do not find them worth discussing).
Of course there are gradations, and there are personal biases. So when I say that I do not like her writing, I do not mean that she writes badly. I really mean that that is not what I would rather spend time in reading.
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Asami thanks re.
Ashish,nahee ba, passionate lover wagaire nahee paN GDchee katha awaDate mala. aNi agadee raje et al. shee tulana kelyawar rahawale nahee bagh:))
aschiq, mala tuze posting wachata yet naheeye :(. mala tuzee postings khoop awaDatat- kadhee kadhee paTat naheet taree! paN fontschee gochee disatey:(
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ithe barech diwas kunich kase naahi?
kaMtaaLale kee kaay sagaLe?
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naahI AiXaXa . tovaZca gaÜ]. do. saangat naahIt. tr %yaa tDjaÜDI ANaI tÜDÔÜDI krtanaa iktI saÜsaava laagat Asa sauicat krtat.
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doctor,
Aro saÜsaavaM tr kayamaca laagatM ro ²
to saÜsaNaM Asahyya Jaalyaavar maga kayaÆ yaa p`Xnaacao ]<ar sagaLo XaÜQat Asatat.
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toÉAÜ vaacalaaya kaÆ Ap`itma ²
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Mugdhali
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namaskar mandali.mepan tumchyasarkheech Gauri Deshpandechya lekhanachi vachak aahe.MILUN SARYAJANIchya diwali ankatil ticha lekh DHADYANPASUN SHIKALELE DHADE kuni vachala ka?kasa vatala?
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Deepakm
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ek nirikshan, GD chya lekhanakade baghtana tyanchya kutumbabaddal(karve-paranjpe family) pan mahiti ghetali tar baryacha goshtincha ulgada hoil, aani tyanche lekhan ajun changle appriciate karata yeil. Maharshi-Baya Karve/Iravati-Dinkarrao/ Ra.Ddho.Karve, Ra. Pu./Shakuntala/Sai/(Vinni?) Paranjpe hyanche charitra, karya,lekhan hyachya context madhye GD n chi laikhan shaili, mokalepana, bindhastpana, transparency hyacha chhan ulgada hoto.
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Deepakam has said right thing . It aids a lot to know abt all these ppl . Well , What abt Saheli and umi and mithu ? Exactly who r they ?
Mughdali ne mention kelela lekh mi vachala . kadawat lekh ahe to jara ! pan tyapeksha jast changala mhanaje Saptahik Sakal chya diwali ankamadhala Hisheb !
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Rasikyash
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Ashish : Tuze posting vachun zale. itaranche dekheel. Maze nasheeb itake khaDatar kee mala vachanyat goDee asun dekheel ashya lekhakanchee pustake miLat naheet.
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yash,
me punyat hoto tevha regular "pustak pradarshane " pahaayalaa jaayacho.
punyaachyaa ABC madhye konatyaahee dukaanaat jaa aaNi tulaa havee asalelyaa lekhakaache naav saaMg . kameet kamee 2 pustake taree milataat asaa maajhaa anubhav aahe. try kar.
prayatne vaaluche kaN ragadeetaa..
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