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Bepositive
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 5:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Aaja maa~ *_\ca JaalaI. DÜMibavalaItlyaa jaÜXaI hayaskUlalaa maulao imaLt naahIt Æ ho eokayalaa ksao vaaTto Æ Aajacao marazI palak A@klaXaUnya mhNaayalaa hvaot. maulaaMnaa marazI XaaLot Gaalaayalaa ka nakÜ mhNatat Æ mhNao kI maga %yaaMnaa [Mga`jaI baÜlata yaot naahI. Aro marazI XaaLotlaIca maulao Xauw [Mga`jaI baÜlatat. [Mga`jaI XaaLotlyaa karT\yaaMnaa QaD [Mga`jaIhI baÜlata yaot naahI AaiNa marazIhI yaot naahI. AapNa saaMgaUna eokNaar kÜNa Æ maI tumhalaa saaMgatÜ Ê maI ekda sava- marazI laÜkaMnaa ek [ maola kolaI hÜtI. marazI maaNasaanao paLayacaI t%vao hÜtI %yaat. pNa ekacaIhI p`itkIyaa AalaI naahI. kuNaalaa kaLjaIca naahI ² %yaaMnaa jaa]do. maI samajalaÜya. na@kI maaJyaa prInao kahItrI krIna. tumhalaa maI Aavaahna krtÜ. Ëupyaa tumhIhI pavalao ]calaa AaiNa [ccaa Asalyaasa malaa maola kraÊ maI tumhalaa tI t%vao pazvaIna.

Radha_t
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 8:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

[qaoca ilahIlat tr [qaoca cacaa- hܚla kI %yaavar

Prasadp77
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 8:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Leka BePositive, tula koni saangitale he ki S V Joshi la mule milat naahi tar conservative Tilak shalechi kaay condition asel kon jaane.

Tu mala ti tatve paathavun de. I will look into it but I believe there are many issues with this central idea.

I agree with your point of english, completely.

Sayonara
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 1:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

bepositive:tumhi d'vali che ka?amhi pan tumcha gavache bara ka...

Arch
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 2:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

malaa vaaTla hllaI navaIna research p`maaNao maulaaMnaa maatRBaaYaot iXakvala tr %yaaMcao fundamentals laÝkr AaiNa caaMgalao tyaar hÜtat Asa eokla Aaho. puNyaalaa ivaVa naarLkrcaI XaaLa %yaasaazI p`isaQd Aaho. hillacao well educated palak (avar Bar dovaU laagalao Aahot Asa eokla.

Paragkan
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 2:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

pNa Aata hLUhLU laÜk ‘maatRBaaYaaca’ badlaU laagalao Aahot AsaM vaaTtM kQaI kQaI.

Ashishchaskar
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 3:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

maulaaMnaa kÜNa%yaa maaQyamaacyaa XaaLot iXaxaNa Vavao ha mau_a relative Aaho Asao vaaTt naahI kaÆ jar Garatlao vaatavarNa [Mga`jaI BaaYaolaa purk Asaola tr [Mga`jaI BaaYaot iXaklyaacaa Ôayada jaast hܚla. tsaoca marazI vaatavarNa Asalyaasa marazI XaaLot Gaalaavao. maulaaMnaa %yaaMcyaa XaMka %yaaMnaa samajatIla AXaa BaaYaot samajaavaUna saaMgaNao AavaXyak Aaho. lahanapNaapasaUna [Mga`jaIcaIca savaya Asaola AaiNa Aaš vaiDlahI ³ maulaaMnaa kLola AXaa ´ [Mga`jaItUna saMvaad saaQaNyaat kuXala AsatIla tr [Mga`jaIlaa hrkt AsaavaI Asao vaaTt naahI. [qao kÜNa%yaahI BaaYaocyaa fascination poxaa svatÁcyaa GaratIla vaatvarNaabaabatcaa awareness mah%vaacaa Aaho Asao vaaTto. What are experts' comments?

Zakki
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 4:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

AaiXaYa caa mau_a maulaaMcyaa iXaxaNaacyaa dRYTInao yaÜgya Aaho. kuNaalaa AavaDÜ vaa na AavaDÜÊ Aajakala baroca palaak GarIhI [Mga`jaI baÜlatat ina maulaopNa [Mga`jaI baÜlatat. ivaXaoYatÁ marazI .. AmarazI yaaMcaa ivavaah Jaalaa Asaola tr %yaaMcyaa GarI [Mga`jaIca jaast p`maaNaat vaaprlao jaato. maga %yaa Garatlyaa maulaaMnaa [Mga`jaI maaQyamaca baro. Aata marazI Aašbaap marazIt ka baro baÜlat naahIt ha ek p`Xna Aaho. Aamacyaa kaLIÊ lahanapNaapasaUna marazI XlaÜkÊ marazI inabaMQaÊ naaTkoÊ kqaa kivata [. BarpUr p`maaNaat AsaoÊ ina %yaacaa caaMgalaa AanaMd Gaota yaavaa mhNaUna AamhI marazI BaaYaocaa pazpuravaa kolaa. ina maga marazItIla qaÜr laoKkaMcao laoKÊ kivaMcyaa kivata vaacaUna KUp AanaMd imaLivalaa. Aata bahuQaa laÜkaMnaa tsao [Mga`jaIcao vaoD AsaavaoÊ ina marazIcao nasaavaoÊ mhNaUna kuiNa marazI kDo laxa dot naahIt. Asao malaa vaaTto.

Storvi
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 4:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Bepositive ani prasad, I totally disagree with your view of languages. maI svatÁ convent maQyao iXaklaolaI Aaho AaiNa maaJao [Mga`jaI tr ]<ama AahocaÊ pNa maJao maarazI Anaok marazI maaQyamaatUna iXaklaolyaa maulaaMpo@Xaa caangalao Aho. pTt nasaola tr maaJyaa Aajaubaajaucyaa laÜkaMnaa ivacaaravao. maI doiKla tumhI mhNataya toca exactly marazI maaQyamaa%lyaa maulaaMba_la mhNau Xakto. so please do not generalize, or stereotype people, my intetion was not to brag but to make this one point. malaa vaaTtMÊ maulao maa~uBaaYaot p`vaINa hÜNao ho barocasao Garatlyaa vaatavarNaavar AvalambaUna Asato. maaJaa saaDo caar vaáYaacaa Baacaa english maaQyamaat jaatÜÊ pNa %yaalaa psaayadana [%yaadI sagaLM KUp sauroK mhNata yaotM. %yaacaM marazI doiKla evZ\yaaXyaa vayaatih vaaKaNaNyaa jaÜgao Aaho. yaalaa karNa XaaLa nasaunaÊ Garatlao vaatavarNa Aaho. maaJaa navara maa~ marazI maaQyaamaatUna iXaklaolaa AsaUna %yaacao mat Asaoca pDlao ik marazI maaQyamaatUna iXaklaoila barIcaXaI maulao ih baahorcyaa jagaat [tr maulaaMcyaa maanaanao kmaI Aa%maivaXvaasaanao vaavartat. Aqaa-t ho %yaaca mat AhoÊ maaJao yaa baabaitt AjaUna trI kahI observation Jaalaola naahI

Archil
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 4:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Ashishchakra..mala tu je mhanto ahes te barobar watat ahe..bhasha he sanwad sadhnyache madhyam ahe..Language is a medium of communication..tyamule jyala je soiskar watel tyane te karawe..jya vatawarnashi tumhala sambodhit rahayche ahe tasech shikawe ani tech shikave..ani mi Bepositive shi pan sahamat ahe..baryach english school madhlya mulanna dhad english hi bolata yet nahi tar marathi hi yet nahi..pan ase hi loka baghitle ahet je marathi shalet jaun mag english madhye kami padtat ani mag jenva saglach education english madhye suru hota tenva mage padtat..mag hyawar kay karayche..

mi English medium madhli ahe mhanun maze marathi samjun ghya..

Manya
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 4:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

AaiXaYa tuJa mhNaNa AgadI barÜbar Aaho.
maaJa svatÁca iXaxaNa marazItUna JaalaÊ puZo college maQyao sauÉvaaitla 3­4 maihnao ~asa Jaalaa pNa naMtr (acaa kaih ~asa vaaTlaa naahIÊ ]laT Aaplyaa BaaYaoba_laÊ saMskRitba_la bairca maaihit malaa marazItuna iXaxaNa Gaotlyaanao imaLalaI. pNa Aata maaJa mat qaÜDsa vaogaL Aaho.
BaaYaaÊ [ithasaÊ š ivaYaya maatRBaaYaotuna iXakvaavaot. pNa Xaas~ ivaYaya ho [Mga`ijatUna iXakvalaola baro. ( [qalyaa chinise maulaaMcao hala pahvat naaiht. )
[Mga`ija maaQyamaatuna iXaxaNa Gaotlaolyaa maulaaMcao vyai>ma%va , communicatin skills [tr maulaaMpoxaa caaMgalao Asato (avar maaJaa Aijabaat ivaXvaasa naahI.

Arun
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 5:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message


malaa yaabaabat ek vaogaLa mau_a maaMDayacaa Aaho. Aaja maharaYT/at marazI maaQyamaaMcyaa XaaLaMmaQyao jao ‘AanaI’Ê ‘panaI’ vaalao iXaxak BartI kolao Aahot %yaacyaakDUna kÜNaIhI BaaYaa ivaYaya iXakola Asao malaa vaaTt naahI. in fact AXaa iXaxakaMkDUna kuzlaaca ivaYaya naIT iXakvalaa jaat naahI. maagaIla 4 to 5 vaYaa-MmaQyao marazI maaQyamaacyaa XaaLotUna dhavaI pasa Jaalaolyaa kuzlyaahI maulaalaa ikMvaa maulaIlaa ivacaara. to sauwa hoca saaMgatIla.

yaa marazI maaQyamaacyaa XaaLa sarkar kDUna grant Gaot AsalyaamauLo %yaaMnaa ho Asalao iXaxak Gyaavaoca laagatat.

maaJaa ivarÜQa ha AarxaNaalaa nasaUnaÊ %yaacyaa naavaaKalaI jaI djyaa-baabat tDjaÜD hÜto %yaalaa Aaho.

Aaplyaa lahanapNaI sauwa Asao ‘AanaI’Ê ‘panaI’ vaalao iXaxak hÜtoÊ pNa to hatacyaa baÜTaMvar maÜjaNyaa [%ko. mhNaUna %yaacaa Aaplyaalaa far ~asa Jaalaa naahI. pNa Aata pirisqatI badlalaI Aaho.

AarxaNaacyaa naavaaKalaI XaaLaMmaQyao jyaa p`karcao iXaxak Barlao jaatat %yaacyaapo@Xaa [Mga`jaI maaQyamaacyaaÊ pNa sarkar kDUna grant na GaoNaaáyaa XaaLaMmaQyaoca Xauw BaaYaa baÜlaNaaro iXaxak Asatat.

[Mga`jaI maaQyaamaacyaa bahutok XaaLa grant Gaot nasalyaamauLo %yaa XaaLocyaa caalakaMnaa iXaxak inavaDIcao svaatM~\ya Asato. %yaamauLo itqao inadana caaMgalyaa djaa-cao iXaxak join hÜtat.

Ku_ puNyaat AXaa baáyaaca XaaLa Aahot kI jyaaÙI yaaca karNaamauLo sarkarI grant GaotlaI naahIyao.


Ajjuka
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 6:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

matrubhashetun shikalyamule ayushyat khup lahan vayat without stress shikshan hote tyamule mule jast changlya paddhatine shikatat ase research sangato. he mala patate. pan yacha arth asa nave ki engraji medium chya shalet shikanaryancha base kachha asato. english medium madhe shikanari mule bahutanshi marahti vachayacha kantala karatat yamule ti aplya marathipanapasun duravalyasarakhi hotat he ek geenral observation aahe arthatach kahi sanmananeeya apavaad vagalata. marathi madhyamatali mule english bolayacha kantala karatat tyamule grammatically correct asunahi bolanyacha confidence nasato mhanun kadachit atmavishwas kami aahe ase vatat asave. pan english bolanyavar command milavane hi farashi avaghad goshta nahiye keval tya karanasathi english medium choose karane mala patat nahi.
shevati storvi mhanali tase he barechase gharatalya vatavaranavar avalambun asate. pan prestige point mhanun english medium la ghalane ha jo attitude aahe to matra samajanyasarakha nahi. tyatunach mag marathi naavachi mule anglalalele uchhar (ABCD chyahi tondat maratil ase) karat mala farase mrathi bolata yet nahi ase mothya premane sangatat. ashi khup udaharane baghitali aahet ki jyanche aaivadil journlist, sampadak (marathi), kinwa itar kahi kalechya kshetrat aahet agadi lekhak suddha ni mulaga/gi mhanatey ki mi kahi tyanche farase vachale nahiye karan marathi is so boring you know... CHEED YETE
pan parat ha madhyamaha prashna nasun gharatalya vatavaranacha aahe. yababtit ek barikasa kissa sangate. ek marahti navachi aadanavachi mulagi. eka production house madhe kahi kamasathi bhetali. tithe itar manase marathit bolat aslyane tila marathitach bolave lagale. ahaa te bhayankar uchhar.. 'bheeshan sundar' cha artha ch haati lagala mala. tichi jara olakh zalyavar tila kuthali aahes and that sort ase prashna vicharale tevha kalale ki hi marathi medium madhe shikaleli mulaig aahe tevha na rahavun mi tila vicharale ki tuze marahti uccharan itake vait kase? tar tadak svachha marathi var yet ti mhanali ki aga kay karanar mumbait kam milavayache tar asech karave lagate. chhan marathit bolalo tar problem hou shakato. I WAS STUNNED...

Deepanjali
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 6:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

good posting STORVI,
I fully agree with you !!

Nirakar
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 7:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Storvi 100 % agree.
Maza mat vicharal tar - Shikshan ata english bhashetach (shakyato convent madhe) dyave. Mulaga hushar asel tar, pardeshi shikkhan, GRE, GMAT and MBA, IAS (he marathi lokkana mahit nasave bahuda :-) ) ekdam sope hote. Jar DHA nighala tarihi , recptionist, Call center, Sales vaigare job patkan milato.
Marathi shikun sarkari jobchach option urato ani tumhi amhi tar "uchha" kulatale aslyamule sarkari job karun "nich" hwave lagu naye hyachi sarkar kalaji gheilach.

Sabab badlatya paristhiti nusar rashtrabhasha, maayboli (hi nave) cha abhiman asava ani ti shikave pan professional life sathi englishach bare. Shevati kay re, je madhayam kinva vishay don veles potachi khalagi bharato te saglayat uttam nahi ka? Purvi Vakilila bhav hota nantar engineer/Dr la, tya nantar MBA finance la ani ata software and Management la aahe, Apanach nahi ka field badlun ethe alo? tasech bhasheche pan.

BTW: varati konitari mhanale ki Marathi mullanche english uchar shudha aahet pan khare sangu ka te fakt Mhararashtrat karan Britsh english ani American english agadich bhinna aahe. Khot vatat asel tar Apali shudhha tupatali puneri english gheon, aajach tumachya office madhlaya Gorayashi fad fad bolun bagha ani tharava.


Sayonara
Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

bepositive: tumhi mhanta te 100% true nahiye.
storvi mhnate tyapramane majha navra pan english medium cha ahe pan tyacha marathi khup changla ahe.even handwriting.gharatlya vatavarnavar baryach goshti depend kartat

Beti
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 2:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

hmmm baroca caaMgalao mau_o vaacaayalaa imaLalao. Aajjauka AaiNa Aca- mhNatat tÜ taNariht p`aqaimak iXaxaNaacaa mau_a pTlaa. manyaa mhNatÜ tsao gaiNat va Xaas~ [MiglaXamaQaUna iXakayalaa hvao ho Kroca.maI svatÁ AazvaIpasaUna [MiglaXmaQaUna ho dÜna ivaYaya iXaklao %yaacaa Ôayada Jaalaa.

pNa mhNaUna sarsakT marazI laÜkaMnaI [MiglaXa maaQyamaacyaa XaaLot maulaM GaalaavaIt ho pTt naahI.

AarxaNaamauLo tDjaÜD maanya .. ]paya mhNaUna AxarnaMdna saar#yaa XaaLa Aahot naa..

BaaYaap`Bau%vaasaazI Garcao vaatavarNa mah<vaacao Kroca. %yaa jaÜravar maatRBaaYaa laÝikkaqaI- marazI nasalaolyaanao ]<ama marazI saaih%ya ilaihNyaacao kÝtukaspd ]dahrNa Apiricat naahI.

pNa jar Garcao vaatavarNa [tko mah<vaacao Aaho tr jao Aaš­vaDIla kTaxaanao maulaaMcao marazI caaMgalao zovaU Xaktat to %yaaMcao [MiglaXa naahI ka caaMgalao k$na Gao} XaktÆ ho Asao GaDtanaa maI paihlao Aaho. maaJao [inglaXa Ôar ]cca naahI pNa maaJyaa barÜbarIcyaa convent educated maulaaMpoxaa Ôar kmaIhI naahI. hoca maaJyaabarÜbarcyaa maÜz\yaa ivaVaqaI- gaTaivaYayaI mhNata yaošla. dudO-vaanao maI paihlaolyaa baáyaaca ³Apvaad Aahotca´ convent educated maulaaMcaI saamaaijak saaMskRitk jaaNa... ijalaa XaaLotUna maÜza hatBaar laagatÜ ... tI Aamha marazI XaaLotlyaa maulaaMpoxaa kmaI idsalaI. %yaaMcaI iXast tovaZI GaoNyaajaÜgaI hÜtI..

dusaro Asao ik jaovha naÜkrIcaI jaagaaÊ badlaIÊ ek palak prBaaiYak [. yaÜgya karNao nasatIla tr var ]llaoKlaolyaa sausaMskRt samaajaBaana Asalaolyaa laÜkaMnaa AaplaI BaaYaa saMskRtI iTkvaayacao XaaLa ho ek saaQana Aaho ho pTt naahI kaÆ maatRBaaiYak maaQyamaacao Ôayado maulaalaahI tr hÜtat maga to ho daiya%va ka naakartatÆ ha p`Xna Cd\maI naahI. malaa (a maagacao tk-Xaas~ jaaNaUna GyaacaI [cCa Aaho.
AaiXaXa praga mhNatÜ tsao jyaaMcyaa Garcao vaatavarNa [MiglaXa­p`Qaana Aaho %yaaMnaI marazI mhNavaU nayao ho Kro..

AKorIsa.. naotR%vagauNa ikMvaa laÜkaiBamauK vaavar iXaxaNaacyaa maaQyamaacaaca kaya iXaxaNaacaahI maÜhtaja naahI. haM marazI XaaLot iXaklaolyaa maulaaMnaa vaavarNyaat jaÜ AvaGaDpNaa ikMvaa nyaUnagaMD yaotÜ tÜ Aaplyaa samaajaacyaa [inglaXlaa DÜ@yaavar basavaNyaacyaa vaR<aInao. AaiNa inadana varcyaa qarat hI marazIba_lacaI tucCta yaoNyaacao ek karNa [MiglaXa maaQyamaatlao iXaxaNa Aahoca AsaohI maaJao mat.

saaraMXa AaplaI maulao kuzlyaa maaQyamaacyaa XaaLot GaalaavaIt ha vaOyai>k p`Xna Aaho pNa marazI XaaLot jaa}na kuNaacao nauksaana hÜto ho malaa pTt naahI AaiNa marazI XaaLa hI saMsqaa iTkNao malaa jaÉrIcao vaaTto .. KorIja %yaa sauQaarNyaacyaa dRYTInao p`ya%na krayalaa hvaot AaiNa Xa@ya tI madt Asao p`ya%na caalaU AsatIla itqao VaycaI maaJaI tyaarI Aaho

Ashishchaskar
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 7:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

yaabaabatIt Ajauna research hÜNao AavaXyak Aaho Asao vaaTto. p`%yaokacao AnauBava vaogavaogaLo AsaU Xaktat. marazI iTkNao AavaXyak Aahoca pNa %yaaca barÜbar maulaaMcaI kovaL BaaiYak Aaga`hamauLo AÜZataNa hÜ} nayao. XaaLa ha ek AanaMddayaI p`kar AahoÊ Asao maulaaMnaa vaaTlao paihjao. marazI maulaaMnaa nyaunagaMD AsatÜ ho KrMya Ê pNa mhNaUna sara-sa [Mga`jaI XaaLot Gaalaavao ha ]paya inaiXcat naahI. [qao Aaplyaa sagaL\yaaMcao ekmat Aahoca.

Manya
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 1:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

baoTI...
maI tuJyaa mataXaI 100 % sahmat Aaho....

ashishchaskar .....
marazI maulaanaa nyaunagaMD AsatÜ...... ho malaa pTt naahI.... kXaalaa AsaavaaÆ... [Mga`jaI saMBaaYaNaacaI savaya vhayalaa vaoL laagatÜ ho Kr Aaho ... baoTI nao hyaa baabat caaMgalao ivacaar maaMDlaot

Nirakar ....
pardeshi shikkhan, GRE, GMAT and MBA, IAS (he marathi lokkana mahit nasave bahuda ) ..... (a tuJyaa ivaQaanaalaa maaJaa jaÜrdar Aaxaop Aaho.
malaa jarI statistically klpnaa nasalaI trI maaJyaa maaihitt marazI maaQyamaatuna iXaxaNa Gaotlaolyaa ik%yaok maulaaMnaI (a prIxaa caaMgalyaa gauNaanaI ]i<aNa- JaalyaacaI ]dahrNa Aahot
Kr tr maaJaa convent laa ih vaÜrÜQa Aaho. ija iXast convent maQao Asato tXaI baáyaaca marazI XaaLaMmaQyaohI Aaho.
(a ba_la barca kaih ilaihta yaošla .. AsaÜ.. ek maa~ maI Kai~nao saaMgaU XaktÜ kI convent cyaa maulaaMca AaplaI BaaYaaÊ saaih%yaÊ saMskRtI (abaadalaca &ana Ôarca tÜkD Asat.
marazItuna iXaxaNa GaotlaolaI maula dÜna vaoLolaa pÜTacaI KLgaI BarNyaacaI saÜya krayalaa kmaI pDtat Asa malaa trI vaaTt naahI.

Ashishchaskar
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 2:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Manya,
Sorry. That was not general statement. It was for me only. My own experience. AjaunahI baáyaaca gaÜYTI nyaunagaMDamauLo hatuna inasaTlyaacaI jaaNaIva Asvasqa krto. mhNaUna ilaihNyaacyaa AÜGaat to vaa@ya Aalao. Aqaa-t maaJyaa nyaunagaMDaMcao Kapr ‘iXaxaNaacao maaQyama’ yaavar iktpt ÔÜDta yaošla yaacaahI ³maI´ ivacaar krNao AavaXyak Aaho. :-)

Keya
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 2:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

baoTIÊ
Cana mau_o maaMDlaosa. maI tuJyaa mataXaI puNa-pNao sahmat Aaho. malaa Asao kuTuMba maahIt Aaho kI %yaaMcaI maulao mahapailakocyaa XaaLot iXaklaI. Aaja sava- maulao prdoXaat ]cca iXaxaNa Gao]na maÜz\yaa pdaMvar kama krt Aahot. eka maulaanao prdoXaat svatÁcaa vyavasaaya sauÉ kolaa Aaho. ta%pya-Ê marazI maaQyamaacaa AaiNa Aa%maivaXvaasaacaa kahI saMbaQa naahI. AjaUna ek ]dahrNa Ainala AvacaTaMcao doNyaat yao[la. %yaaMcyaa dÜnhI maulaI cavaqaI pya-Mt mahanagarpailakocyaa XaaLot iXaklyaa. maÜzI mau>a 12vaI laa gauNava<aa yaadIt AalaI hÜtI. saQyaa mau>aMgaNa vyasanamau>I koMd`at saMcaailaka mhNaUna kama krto.

Manya
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 3:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Ashish
sorry vaOgaro mhNaU nakÜ ro.. ivaYayaca Asaa Aaho kI (avar baroca matBaod AaiNa vaad hÜNaar Aaho.. pNa personal attack hÜ] nayaot evaZca.... I hope Nirakar nao pNa maaJa mhNaMNa Ôar seriously Gaotla nasaola

Arch
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 3:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

koyaÊ AgadI barÜbar Aaho. jyaa maulaaMcyaat ija_ AahoÊ jaI self motivated Aahot tI kuzohI puZo yaotat.

inarakarÊ maI puYkL convent educated maulaaMca grammatically cauikca baÜlaNa eokla Aaho AaiNa vaacala Aaho. marazI XaaLotlaI maula english baÜlatanaa p`ya%napUva-k XauQd baÜlatanaa AaqaLtat. %yaaMcyaat convent educated maulaaMsaarKa over confidence nasatÜ. prt ekda Asaca mhNaona kI jyaalaa successful vhayaca Aaho tÜ svat : cyaa p`ya%naaMvar puZo yaotÜ. %yaalaa english maaQyamaacaI ja$r Asato Asa naahI. naaihtr Japanese laÜk english ABaavaI maagao pDlaI nasatI kaÆ AsaÜ

Bhm
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 3:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message


ek XaMka. convent AaiNa [Mga`jaI maaQyamaacaI XaaLa ho samaanaaqaI- Xabd Aahot Asao gaRiht Qarlao Aaho ka ? tsao Asaola tr to caUk Aaho. convent mhNajao iK,Xcana Qamaa-caa p`saar krNyaacyaa ]_oXaanao banavalaolaI XaaLa Asaa maaJaa samaja Aaho.

]da. puNyaatIla knaa-Tk hayaskUla hI [Mga`jaI maaQyamaatIla XaaLa Aaho pNa tI convent naahI.
Aata [Mga`jaI maaQyamaatIla XaaLaMmaQaohI convent jaast caaMgalao Asao kuNaalaa mhNaayacao Aaho kaya ? tsao Asaola tr ka to saaMgaa.



Zakki
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 4:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

‘ Aaina paina ’ saMbaMQaIÁ pUvaI-Ê mhNajao 1955 to 1960 cyaa saumaarasa puNyaat baabaUrava saNasa naavaacao mahapÝr hÜto. to ‘Aaina paina ’ mhNat. %yaaMcaI gammat krayalaa lahana maulao ‘kinak laÜina Aainak paina Aana’ Asao mhNat. %yaalaa ]<ar mhNaUna saNasaaMnaI Asao saunaavalao kI ‘BaaYaa mhNajao bahujana baÜlatat tI. jar bahujana ’Aaina paina‘ mhNat AsatIla tr toca Xauw ka Qa$ nayaoÆ ³Aaina malaa sanasa mhNaa²´’ mauLat marazItlao barocasao XabdÊ saMskRt caa ApBa`MXa banaUna Aalaolao AahotÊ maga %yaaMnaa pNa tumhI AXauw mhNaNaar kaÆ

‘gaMmat’ mhNajao kaya ho maaiht nasalaolao laÜk [qao ilaihtat. %yaaMcyaasaazI KulaasaaÁ [qao kuNaavarih vaOyai>k TIka krNyaacaa ]_oXa naahI. ³kdaicat\ svatÁKorIja dusaáyaavar vaOyai>k TIka kolaolaI %yaa laÜkaMnaa caalat Asaola²´. toMvha ]gaIcaca BaDkUna jaa}na ‘AXyaa laÜkaMnaa maayabaÜlaIvar yao}ca ka dotaƒ Asao p`Xna ivacaa$ nayaotÊ hI ivanaMit.

Storvi
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 5:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Bhm, me convent madhye shikale.. ata english medium schools madhye convent changle ase maze mulich mhanane nahi pan baryach lokancha asa samaj ast AaiQaca mak-T tXaathI maV Pyaalaa ase kahise convent che asate.. ki mulat engraji madhyamachya lokancha marathi udanda.. tyatun convent mhatlyavar bolaylach nako...imaXaI baaš cyaa Jagyaatuna AvatrlaolaI .. to samaj door karnya sathi me majhya posting madhye muddamhun "convent" specify kele...


Prafull
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 5:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

ha p`Xna marazI laÜkaMp`maaNao [tr BaaiYak laÜkaMnaahI BaoDsaavat Aaho. AaiNa jar 90% laÜk ho [nga`jaI maaQyamaalaa mah%va dot Aahot tr %yaa maagacao karNa jaaNaUna Gao}na marazI iXaxaNa pwtIt badla krNao Ainavaaya- Aaho. [nga`jaI maaQyama svaIkarNyaacao mau#ya karNa mhNajao tI vyaavasaaiyak ivaXvaat maanya JaalaolaI BaaYaa Aaho. [nga`jaI maaQyama svaIkarNao (amaagao marazIlaa kmaI laoKNao Asaa palakancaa d`uiYTkÜna mauiLca nasatÜ jar palakanaa Asaa choice ]plabQa Jaalaa ik jyaat maUla marazIXaI javaLIk zoivala AaiNa %yaaca vaoLI vyaavasaaiyak [nga`jaI pNa iXakU Xakola tr malaa vaaTto puXkL palak ha pyaa-ya svaIkartIla. %yaasaazI parmpairk iXaxaNa pwtI maQao badla Ainavaaya- Aaho. first , second and third language Asaa p`kar AsatÜÊ tsao na krta sansËutIÊ BaaYaa AaiNa samaaja (acaa ek gaT AaiNa gaiNat iva&ana tn~&ana communication english (ancaa vaogaLa gaT banavaUna palakanaa choice }plabQa k$na idlaa paihjao. AXaanao ivaVaqyaa-nvar KUp taNa pDola Asao malaa vaaTt naahI. jyaap`maaNao [nga`jaI maaQyamaatlaI maulao GarI marazI vaatavarNa Asalyaanao comunicative marazI baÜlau Xaktat Asaaca ha p`kar Aaho. caÝqaI pya-nt grading system sauwa badlalaI paihjao. caÝqaI pya-nt trI maa@sa- na dota grades p`maaNao ivaVaqyaa-ncaI gauNava<aa tpasalaI pihjao.
jar maulaacaa savaa-MgaINa ivakasa vhavaa Asaa vaaTt Asaola tr tsaa maaga- }plabQa vhavaa Asao malaa vaaTto

Arun
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 5:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

prafull: tuJao mhNaNao pTto. [Mga`jaI maaQyama isvakarNao mhNajao marazIlaa kmaI laoKNao Asao navho. pNa tU mhTlyaap`amaNao saQyaacyaa iXaxaNapwtIt badla krNao Xa@ya Asalao trI tsao hÜ[laca yaacaI XaaXvatI naahI.

Nirakar
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 6:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Tumhi he je kahi anubhav ethe mandalet tyat vidhyarthi ha hushar aahe ase gruhit dharale aahe. Mi swataha nagar palikechya ani jilha parishadechya shalet shikalo aahe. ata paryant tari mala english cha problem ala nahi , pan mala GRE sathi jevadha abhyas karava lagala tya pekha english medium valyanna kami karava lagala he nischit.

Vidhyarthi hushar asel tar prashnach nahi pan jar to samanya asel tarach problem yeel.
Ani mulaga kasa aahe he shalet ghaltanna kalat nahi mahnun english medium la ghalave mhanje jibs milayala sope hote.

Varati koni tari mhatale ki marathi mdhayamatlya mullana job milayla tras hot nahi, he mala mulich patat nahi karan priviate jobs mandhe english mediumchich mule distat. TELCO madhe 150 graduate trainee dar varshi ghetat. Bhartatlya saglaya changlya institues madhun toppers uchaltat, statistically 90% are convent/english medium educated astat, same story iter thikani hi aahe.
Ugich mi marathit shikalo ani mala english cha tras nahi mhanun konalach english cha problem yenar nahi he chuk aahe, avrage mullan nakkich yeto.

Marathi mullana nungand asato ase tumhi manya kelech aahe, to ka aahe he jara vichar karun tharva. May be english medium che mule street smart astil, pan most successful lok he street smart astat he pan kharch aahe.
(kahi sanmanya apwad like mantri, kinva khandani businessman sodun dya.

Fact remains ki socity madhe english la bhav aahe , mag saral english medium madhe shikave



Nirakar
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 6:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Anakhi ek..
Tumhi Marathi mhanata ti kuthali marathi? Marathi par Saunskrut-->Prakrut--> moglai--> atachi Marathi ashi hot ali aahe. Thodkyat tya tya veli ji bolali jate ti bhasha apali, ata english la bhav aahe tar english, udya Japnise la bhav ala tar Japnese, tyat kay aahe?
Jetya chi bhasha pudhe chalate he lakhsat thevave. Jenva India economiccaly strong hoel tenvach Marathi, Hindi vagairecha agraha dhara , to paryant kamvalya bainshi bolnayche madhyam, pustake, kadmabrya vachnayache sadhan kinva maayboli mhanunch Marathi thik aahe.

Saurabh
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 7:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message


[qao [Mga`jaIcaa vyaavaharIk jagaatIla BaaYaa vagaOro mhNaUna Ôar baa] kolaa Aaho. ho jarI sa%ya Asalao trI p`%yaxaat [Mga`jaI maaQyamaatUna na iXaklaolaI maulao vyaavaharIk jagaat maagao pDlaolaI AaZLtat kayaÆ malaa tr Asao mauLIca idsat naahI. Ku_ US maQyao doKIla. šqao tr ik%yaok prkIya ³maQya pÝvaa-%yaÊ yaurÜpIyaÊ dxaINa pUva- AaiXayaayaI´ laÜk idsatat jyaaMcao [Mga`jaI ho marazI ³ikMbahunaa AnaaMgla´ maaQyamaatUna iXaklaolyaa BaartIyaahUnahI maÜDko tÜDko Asato AaiNa trIhI %yaa karNaanao %yaaMcaI vyavasaayaIk p`gatI KuMTlyaacao idsat naahI. Aqaa-t BartIya laÜkaMpoxaa %yaaMnaa jara jaast ~asa hÜtÜ hI gaÜYT KrI. pNa tovaZahI ~asa hÜNaar naahI [tpt [Mga`jaIcao iXaxaNa marazI maaQyamaacyaa XaaLaMtUna pacavaIpasaUna idlao jaatoca. %yaamauLo vyaavaharIk BaaYaa mhNaUna [Mga`jaIcaa AMgaIkar ho karNa ittkosao pTNyaasaarKo naahI.
dusarI gaÜYT AXaI kI Xaalaoya iXaxaNaasa sauÉvaat krNyaaAaiQacaI 4 - 5 vaYao- %yaa palyaaXaI jyaa BaaYaotUna ³maatRBaaYaa´ saMvaad saaQalaa jaatÜ tIca BaaYaa puZo sauÉ zovaNao ho svaaBaavaIk AaiNa naOsagaI-k Aaho Asao vaaTto. Aata hI pihlaIca kahI vaYao- marazI Aaš baap jar pÜraMXaI [Mga`jaItUna baÜlat AsatIlaÊ tr to ka ha svatM~ ivaYaya Aaho.

AaiNa kÜNa%yaa maaQyamaatUna iXakavao ha p`Xna kovaL vyavaharIk jagaat kaya AavaXyak Aaho [qaoca qaaMbat naahI. lahana maulaaMvarcao saMskar doKIla XaaLaMtUnaca hÜt Asatat. marazI XaaLot pihlyaa tasaacyaa AaiQa sarsvatI stvana vagaOro mhNaNyaacaI p`qaa Asato. [Mga`jaI maaQyamaatIla ³ivaXaoYatÁ convent ´XaaLaMmaQyao kdacaIt jaIjasa caI p`aqa-naa mhNat AsatIla ³p`%yaxa AnauBavaI vya>IMnaI sa%yaasa%yata inadXa-naasa AaNaavaI´. šqao jaIjasa caI p`aqa-naa sarsvatIcyaa p`aqa-naohUna knaIYz Aaho AsaM Aijabaat mhNaayacaM naaihya. pNa Aaplyaalaa saMskar mhNaUna kaya jaast Écaola ha p`Xna Aaho. ho ek p`aitinaQaIk ]dahrNa idlao. Asao AsaM#ya saaMsaÌtIk Baod (a XaaLaMcyaa iXaxaNaacyaa maaQyamaamauLo Asatat. sauvaNa-maQya ]plabQa naahI Asao qaÜDoca AahoÆ marazI maaQyamaacyaa XaaLaMmaQyao AazvaIpasaUna gaiNat AaiNa iva&ana ho ivaYaya [Mga`jaItUna iXakta yaotat² pNa XaaLotUna hÜNaaáyaa saMskaratlaa Ôrk ha jaast icaMtnaIya Aaho. ³stÜiva- saarKo sauKd Apvaad Aahotca jyaaMnaI duhorI saMskar polalao Aahot´.
AaiNa BaaYaocaMca kXaalaa. saaQaM ]dahrNa Gao]. maharaYT/ baÜDa-cyaa AByaasaËmaacyaa XaaLatUna AaiNa saoMT/la baÜDa-cyaa AByaasaËmaacyaa XaaLatUnahI vaogavaogaLo saMskar hÜtat. CBSE vaalyaaMnaa iXavaajaI mahraja ho dixaNaocao lauTa$ Aahot Asaa mauGala koMd`I [tIhasa iXakvalaa jaatÜ ³maaJyaa CBSE vaalyaa $mamaoT kDUna eoklao Aaho²´. ho doKIla saMskarca Aahot. kÜNa%yaa p`karcao saMskar Aaplyaa palyaavar hÜ] Vyacao ho sau&aMnaI zrvaavao²

Nirakar
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 8:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Saurabh,
Tu parat hushar lokkan baddalch boltoyes. Tu udharan dilele lok ethe US madhe aale (vaidh/avaidh maragne) hyatach tyanchi risk taking ability ani hushari distey. Tari pan he lok ethe kay kam karat te bagh, mala tari ajun Indian english shikalela kachara saf karnara ethe disala nahi. Gas statin kinva taxi vale indian astat tyanna english yet nahi ha yogayog nasava.
Mi boltoy te avarage/Mediocre mullanbaddal vishshtaha Marathi je Maharshatra baher pan jat nahit. Sadhya bhartatlya navin sandhi mhanje Call center, sales, MR vagiare thikani fakt english changale asnare lokach ghetat, te pan job mag Marathi mullana milat nahi.
Tuze dusare vidhan farach visangat aahe, pahile 4-5 varshe mule matrubhasha boltat tar tyanna pudhe tyatach shikhan sope padel mhanjech tu ase kabul kartioyas ki pudhe english kathin jayel!

Saurabh
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 8:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message


inarakarÊ maI puZo vaogaLI BaaYaa iXakNao saÜpo jaašla kI AvaGaD jaašla (aba_la kahIhI mhTlao naaihyao. maI f> evaZca ivaQaana kolaM Aaho kI caalau AsalaolaM saMvaadacaM maaQyama e@dma eko idvaXaI badlaavasaM ka vaaTavaMÆ

AaiNa US AmQyao ga^sa sToXana var iknva t^@saI caalavaNaaáyaa laÜkaMnaa [Mga`jaI baÜlata AalaM AsatM tr %yaaMnaa maayaËÜsaa^F,T nao jaa^ba idlaa Asata AsaM mhNaNaM Aaho kaÆ to [MijanaIAr nasaUna kamagaar ka Aahot ha pUNa-pNao svatM~ mau_a Aaho. %yaacaa iXaxaNaacyaa maaQyamaaXaI kahIhI saMbaMQa naahI.

tuJaa dusara mau_a maa~ barÜbar Aaho. pNa maI mhNatÜ kI AXaa laÜkaMnaa jaoMvha %yaa maaQyamaacaI garja laagaola toMvha iXakta yaošlaca kI. naahI kaÆ ]gaaca AapNa maÜzopNaI naÜkrIlaa AiÍkot gaolaÜ AaiNa itqao maaMsaahar kravaa laagalaa tr kaya (a ivacaaranao Aaplyaa AaharpwtI saÜDUna lahanapNaapasaUnaca maaMsaahar kravaa kaya eKaVanaoÆ


Amitv
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 8:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

saurabh yavar mala ek mhan aatavali..
tahan laglyavar vihir khodane..

aani aaj je klahi outsoursing kivaa IT related co. bhartat bharbharatila aalya aahet yacha ekmeva karan manje ENGLISH bhasha yenara skilled resourse pool
Professional life madhe English he aatyavashyak aahe.. mag te manya karun aadhi pasunch english madhe shikshanas kay harkat aasavi.



Saurabh
Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 8:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

mitraho english shiku naka ase konich mhanat nahiye. mi mazya pahilyach post madhye he sangitale ahe ki marathi shalatoon 5th std pasoon english shikavataat. te yogyach aahe. visheshtah hya navyaa vatavaranaat. english che mahatva amanya karanyacha hetu nahi.
pan mazya pahilya post madhye lihilele kahi mudde amit ani nirakar ne saral durlakshit kele ahet. shaletoon mulanwar honarya sanskaratil farak manya ahe ki nahi?
ani tumacha mudda yogya manala (to ahech) tar tya nyayane mule swavalambi zali tar uttamach he mahit asatech ki apalyala tyanchya janmapasoon, mhanoon pahilipasoon poranna boarding school madhye ghalave ka?

amit: maza mudda jari tahan lagalyawar vihir khoda shee sadharmya rakhanara asala, tari tase nahiye.jaruripurate english alreadych shikalele aahe he tyapathimage gruhitak ahe. upajiveekesathi tyachi atyantik garaj jenvha padel tenvha jast ghasoon pusoon lakkha karata yeilach ki. lahan panapasoon attahas ka?
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