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Infertility ha farch sensitive Vishay aahe aani to Bhartat farach mothya pramanaor aahe. Ya vishyavar charcha karayal mala aawdel
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| | Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 12:13 pm: | 
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eokavao to navaInaca²²
AhÜ Baartat ijaqao Population Explosion Jaalao Aaho itqao fertility problems mhNjao hsaavao kI rDavao to kLt naahI ...
Trivector - I think you probably(maybe) want to discuss infertility problems(causes, remedies etc), in general.... I don't think India as a country, has any kind of Infertility problems... by the grace of lord we are an ever expanding country... 
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| | Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 5:51 pm: |
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Bharatat Infertility problem zala asel tar khare tar barech aahe ki. ha problem asach raho kahi varshe tari... deshache bhale hoil...
arthat deevaswapne tari kiti pahayachi mhana...! :p
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Supriyaj
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| | Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 6:18 pm: |
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Infertility cha PROBLEM????????????????????
Mala vatle "Population kami/control karayla Infertility he solution kase vatate???"
asa subject change zala pahije;)
kay pan charcha kartat lok!
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Athak
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| | Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 6:31 pm: |
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Subject "Growing infertility problem in India " , China nao SARS saÜbat ha virus Baartat pazvlaa kI kaya .
calaa barca JaalaM 1 billion vaÉna JapaT\yaanao laÜksaM#yaa kmaI hÜ[la AaiNa per capitaa income 1 billion hÜ[la .
ABV nao iXakvana doNyaacaa p`ya%na kolaa pNa kÜNa eoktÜ Ê laigana kravao Ana icallaoipllao ÉpI ]ravao hI iXakvana jaast pTto Ê kXaI hÜ[la laÜksaM#yaa kmaI
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| | Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 10:01 pm: |
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I think you guys are missing the point here. Bharatat population curb karne avashyak asle tari, infertile women is not the answer to our prayers, the answer is birth control. While some may argue infirtility is automatic birth control, please be reminded, that while one is a matter of choice the other is not.
I guess what Trivector wants to bring to light is what if any problems women face if they are infertile.. and how they deal with it.
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 1:22 am: |
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I second u sto.. well said.
Trivector, I feel this problem was always there. May be as u say, it is growing in certain sectors of society. And just becos this layer happens to be cream layer their miseries are not less intense contrary to popular notion.
One of the reasons could be clashing of the 'fertile years' i.e. the career or educationwise fertile years almost fall in the same range as child bearing years. And though it is easy for ppl to say that 'u cant have the cake and eat it too..' choice between career and motherhood is very hard for a young woman. This besides ambitions happens partly due to the rigid mindset of the society about 'responsibilities' of a married woman. Expectations from the girl are definitely more overhelming than those from her hubby. This results in hesitation and postponing the 'new arrival'
These were the thoughts expressed by Dr. Mridulaa PhaDake, a famous gyanec and Dean of Sasoon Hosp. in Pune. I do agree with these. Of course besides social reasons there could be other medico-social reasons such as long term effects of lifestyle, pollution etc.
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Supriyaj
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 2:15 am: |
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Well, after reading Storvi's posting I would like to rethink about my thought. Trivector ya muddyavar tucha jasta prakash padu shaktos. I mean tuza nakki mudda kay ahe?? Infertility mule konala mula hot nahiyet and mhanun u r worried !! Ki jyapramane Storvi ne sangitale tasa Stree chya drustine ha vichar karto ahes??
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 3:28 am: |
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Storvi -
I believe this problem is not just limited to women. Men can have problems too. I remember reading a related article in Reader's Digest. I do not remember the details though.
Beti - I do not agree with the reason being clash of fertile years. I myself was born when my mother was 39 and my elder sister too is just 3 years elder to me i.e she was born when my mother was 36. And we both are healthy and have fared extremely well in all spheres of life.
What I mean to imply over here is that infertility is usually an effect of a medical problem with that person(could be either man/woman). I do agree that in some cases there could be certain disabilities in children; but I believe this is an exception rather than the rule.
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 4:46 am: |
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chatur, it is advised that first kid should be conceived when the woman is 25-35. deal achild bearing age span is 23-40. Most of the times first pregnancy after 35 is difficult for a woman and mental abnormilities in fetus esp. Down's syndrome is a higher probability. This is what I larnt in that lecture as well as from a series of lectures by Dr. Roshan Master besides the meager syllabus of human genetics I guess your parents were among the luckier lot.
And I have mentioned abt other possibilities too Anyways I rest my case saying so.. since there could be many other issues... problems of men, women etc.
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 11:55 am: |
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I don't think anyone is missing the point here!!
But seriously, I do not understand, what is there to discuss about infertility ??? Infertility is an unfortunate reality to face for some people, like many other misfortunes. But like any other, there is always hope. And this is an issue to be taken either to one's physician / gynec or to a support group. It's too personal / sexually oriented to be discussed on this forum. Why not, then talk about birds and bees and facts of life ???
]Va kuNaI yao}na Rape is a growing and sensitive issue in India Asao mhNaola . This is far more realistic and factual than the infertility problems. pNa mhNaUna kaya [qao Rape Discussion - Causes and Remedies sau$ krNaar kaya Æ [qao laÜkaMnaI kaya cacaa- kravaI AaNaI kaya nakÜ is not really my business, but I just find this line of discussion ridiculous.
cau.BaU.Va.Gyaa . No intention of hurting anybody's feelings.
tumacao caalaU Va .
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Storvi
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 3:56 pm: |
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Jojo, infertility shi related physical problems discuss karayche nasun, emotional problems discuss karayche ahet.
Purvapar pasun, vanzotya bai la savashna mhanoon na bolavne ithpasun anek asech problems astat.
Like chatur said men also face the problems, and I have no idea what people have to face in this situation. Popular notions of masculinity will certainly come into picture. Anyone who can shed more light on this is welcome.
Chatur, pan beti fertile years baddal mhante te khara ahe. that does not mean that older women can't concieve, it just means that it is harder to do so. infact research sugeests, that the chances of concevieng drop dramatically after a woman is 27 or so...
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Chatur
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 5:45 pm: |
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Storvi - Though women are gaining more and more freedom nowadays, ours is still a male dominated society wherein usually inability to bear a child is always blamed on the woman. Only the educated and progressive people attempt to find the root cause by visiting a doctor. So usually men do not have to bear the brunt of this issue from a social perspective just as a woman does.
Regarding your other point (chances of concevieng drop dramatically after a woman is 27 ), this comes as a surprise to me if it is really true. Guess I should get married soon.
Beti - I agree with your posting. Frankly, I am much less educated about medical science(as compared to u) though I have considerable interest in it. I too have read about the risks associated with bearing a child after 35(which i had mentioned in my previous posting). Its just that I am not aware of the statistics vis-a-vis how many of such children are born with abnormalities.
And since in my own example ,I and my sister are healthy and fairly intelligent(with 95+ percentile IQ from all kinds of IQ tests. Mentioning this only because the topic of Down syndrome came up) I believed that this problem should be a rare phenomenon. May be I am wrong and my parents were really lucky.
This may be out of context - but I would really like to know the statistics in this regard if anyone can provide.
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Chatur
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 5:54 pm: |
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Got some statistics on the web. Posting it here just in case anyone is interested. If moderators find it out of context, they can delete this.
Children with Down Syndrome (DS) account for one of every 800 births. The risk of chromosome disorders like DS, trisomy 13 and trisomy 18 increases with maternal age. The incidence of DS at birth is lower at age 20 (1/1600) than at age 35 ( 1/370), but many more younger women have children than older women. So most (75-80%) DS children are born to younger women. If a couple has a child with DS, there is usually an increased risk for a second affected child.
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Chatur
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 6:13 pm: |
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Jojo- I would like to politely disagree with you. I believe there is nothing wrong in discussing infertility.
And I am not just talking about the emotional trauma. Why do we always try to look for fixes rather than solutions? I completely agree that if people have such a problem, they should approach their doctors. But there could be many people who might not be aware of the possible causes - some of which might be under their control. Why go very far...even I did not know till now what is the proper age span for bearing a child (I searched on google and read some articles just now). With people being more career-minded nowadays and delaying marriage/bearing kids as far as possible, wouldn't knowledge of the facts help them in making correct decisions in their life?
We are a progressive society and do not consider any topic as taboo if it is going to help others. If that had not been the case, the government wouldn't have been campaigning so hard for prevention of AIDS.
Of course, I would like to have clarifications from Trivector regarding what exactly he wanted to discuss so that we can prevent the discussion from going astray.
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Storvi
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 6:51 pm: |
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chatur, I agree, apan taboo vishay karoon thevto tyamule baryachda purna education milat nahi... there are so many aspects of this whole situation, if only we were free enough to talk it out and educate and get educated, so many of our problems would be solved.
ha rashtrat mala ti ek goshta khup avadte. pregnancy baddal, striyan itkach purushanna mahit asta.. so office madhye konache baal yenar asle ki he sagle bolayla lagtat tevha bharatiya purush chidichup karan yanna mahit nasta, mahit asla tar bolaychi laj vatate...
pan tyamule te apapsat bolun kityekda changle solutions ekmekanna sangtanna me pahila ahe.. pan hya ulat ich situation me bharatat astanna hoti, tar baykanni agadi obvious hoi paryanta boss lokanna kalavlach nahi, ani tatpurvi, hyavar charcha tar mulich nahi, asel ti itaranchyat, pan tyanna konashi bolaycha nasaycha.. ashyane itaranna alele problems tyanna sodavta ale aste, te sodavle gele nahit... I just wish we become more open minded about these things..
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Jojo
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 6:59 pm: |
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AapNa kahI ivaXayaaMvar baÜlat naaih yaacao karNa Aaplao saMskar. [qalyaa pu$YaaMnaa gaBaa-vasqaoba_la
sava- kahI maahIt Asato ho kÝtukaspd Asalao trI [qalyaa 7Ê 8 vaYaa-Mcyaa lahana maulaaMnaa doiKla pregnancy ca kaya pNa %yaahUnahI nakÜ %yaa ivaYayaaMcaI maaihtI Asato ho ittkoca Ga`uNaaspd Aaho. AaiNa AapNa Ôar
openly sagaLo kahI discuss krtÜ %yaacao duYpirNaama Aata BaartathI idsaU laagalao Aahot
Storvi - just out of curiousity, do you have kids of your own ?
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Storvi
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 7:02 pm: |
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jojo, no I don't. ..
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Nirakar
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 7:19 pm: |
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Storvi, purushanna mahiti naste he mala patat nahi. Amhala jenva bal expect hote tenva mazya barobarchay(company madhalya) anakhi don mullina pan expect hote ani mala tar kuthehi charchet mi ani baki maze purush mitra kami padtat ase janavale nahi. Hi gosht bhartatali aahe bare ka
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Nirakar
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 7:25 pm: |
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Jojo, Bahrtat suddha lahan mule hya vishayavar charcha kartat, mi swatah 2 rit astanna etar mulancshi charcha keleli ajun athvate. Aplya kade mullana hi mahit lapun chapun milate ani kadhi kadhi chukichi pan asate, tyapekha saral sral mahiti dili tar ulat changalech. Sadhya bhartat sundha dating 10 vi pasunach chalu asate. (openly koni sangat nasale tari) tenva mahit asel tar nidan pudhache anartha tari talata yetil.
Jar mahit dilyamule dating lavkar suru hoel ase vatat asel tar tyat vait kay?
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Nirakar
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 7:28 pm: |
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Hey, hya BB chya navatale Infertality ha shabda kadhun taka mhanje "Growing problems in India" evedhech rahil ani mag kay aganit list var bolata yeel
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Chatur
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 7:56 pm: |
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Nirakar - bhaarataat sarvach mulaana hi maahiti miLate ase naahi aahe. kaahi mulaana agdi vishi-panchvishi paryant yaa baddal kaahihi maahiti naste. aso. charchaa bhalatikaDech chaalalii aahe ase vaaTate..
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Storvi
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 8:23 pm: |
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chatur donhi extremes donhikade ahet...
I don't want to digress tevha jojo chya point var ithe me bolnar nahi...
Nirakar, apvad astat... mazhya anubhavatle purush he sagle ya babtit adnyani nighale...(arthat ata sagle mhanta yenar nahi karan tu ahes na tyat)
aso.. tar mul mudda asa ahe ki kasle problems, purush athva striya face kartat ani tyanna ssolutions ahet ka... people please list your opinions...
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Nirakar
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 8:46 pm: |
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Mazya natyat don kutumbe aahet, tynna apatye nahit pan tyancha tya kade baghanyach drishtikon agadi bhinna aahet. Ek kutumb hyacha farach vichar karat hote ani te aplya jivnanatale bakiche ananad ghalaun basale. Ata doghehi hayat hahit.
Dusare kutmb matra ata aplyala pudhe koni nahi tar savings tari kashala karayache mhanun atishay anadat jivan jagat aahe, dar varshi kuthe kuthe trip kadhtat ani jamel tavdhe ayushya upabhogtat. Hya donhi kutumbane dattak mule ghyala virodh dkhavala he vishesh.
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Athak
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| | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 8:58 pm: |
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Aro pNa ha ivaYaya sauÉ krNaara kuzo gaayaba Jaalaa Æ %yaalaa na@kI kaya maahItI hvaI hÜtI Æ problem %yaacaa ikMvaa itcaa Ê kI ek general cacaa- vhavaI ha %yaacaa mauL mauwa Ê AsaÜ .
puÉYa p`Qaana saMsaÌtI maQao ÊpuÉYaacaa problem Asalaa trI Ê society maQao svatacaI kmajaÜrI daKvaNaar naahI AaiNa baayakÜ vaaMJaÜTI mhNauna GaÜXaIt Ê samaajaakDuna vaaT
vaagaNauk itlaa Ê AaiNa ha baha_r CatI kaZuna ifrayalaa maÜkLa .
Aamacyaa AÜLKIcao ek gaRhsqa hÜto ³Aata var pÜcalaot ´ 3 baayaka kÉna Ê %yaa baayakaMnaa samaajaat vaaMJaÜT\yaa
kÉna ÊXaovaTI d<ak pu~ Gaovauna vaMXa puZo caalavalaa .
problem puÉYaacaa ikMvaa s~Icaa pNa Asau XaktÜ Ê yaÜgya medical maaga-dXa-na Ê yaa bawla maÜkLI cacaa- ³]gaIca baa] kÉ nayao Ê ho yaÜgya Ê AyaÜgya ´ vhavaI . XaaLomaQao
sao@sa education bawla scientific maahItI doNao ho yaÜgyaca Asao maaJao mat . with proper education let kids judge its right or wrong barocasao problems solve hÜtIla .
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Storvi
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| | Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 6:45 pm: |
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Nirakar...Someone very close to me had the same problem(I will not mention their name, for that may not be their choice) pan tyanni ek sukanya dattak ghetli ahe. I am very happy for all three of them...
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Sorry, Mala watle navhate evdha response milel ya vishyala. Firstly, mala fakt Infertility vhya problem var laksh vedhayache hote. It is pitty, that many of you are treating Infertility as means to control our population. Arre! Tyancha Vichar Kara jyanna ek pan mul nahi aahe ani tyanna samjamadhe bahishkrut avasthet jagave lagte aahe. (Hi fact aahe). By the way why can't you treat Infertility as part of Family Planning? Each Individual has a right to plan his family by having at least one kid. Don't you agree with me?
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Gele 8-10 Varshe mee Infertility Management ya field madhe kam karat aahe. Baryach specialistshi gath padte. Baryach patients chya katha aikayala miltat, tynacha trauma javlun pahayala milto ani lakshat yete ya problem chi tivrata. Please, take it seriously. Ha joke cha vishay nahi. Ekhadya Infertile Couple shi bolyavar tumchaya lakshat yeil he. Fortunately, Infertility Management he field evadhe pudharlele aahe ki pratyek Infertile Couple swatache mul produce karu shakte. Mala ya vishyavar mahiti share karayala awdel
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U_damle
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| | Friday, May 30, 2003 - 8:26 am: |
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i am neither expert like Trivector nor i want to treat this prop. as population control source..... it is realy a serious prob.. and i do not know but is it happening because of mental stress or physical stress???
mentally it is very difficult to adjust yourself when you know that you r infertile .... horrible i do not know how some one will reply about it.....
being science student i know only that the infertility happens only because of lack of sperms or eggs .... can there be any other reason.... trivector what you say....
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Umesh, Thanks for your comments. There are various causes of growing infertility. Urbanization is definitely one of them. Mental Stress, Smoking, Alcohol, types of clothes (especially under garments) and Pollution is playing a devastating role in causing Infertility.
There is a confirmation that the SPERM COUNT is on decline and they have re-adjust their criteria for normal men (in regards to sperm parameters) every few year. Even a girl is born with a fixed number (around 250) eggs which diminishes with each monthly cycle. So you can imagine why Infertility is rampant in higher age group females. Not only that, advancing age also leads to higher chances of Down's Syndrome (Mental Retardation)in the children. All these things are proven scientifically. In India the Infertility rate is around 14% which is 2% more than the world average.
So how do you defibe Infertility (some people prefer to call it SUB-FERTILITY)? It is a medical situation where the couple cant have a baby withing 2 years of marriage even after unprtotected •••.
In India, unfortunately, the newly weds see their family physicians who msotly know nothing about Infertility, in the course valuable years are wasted. The best thing is to see an Infertility Specialist right away. It would prevent the couple from wasting time, money and may be the fallopin tubes of the patient.
With the new advancements in this field of Infertility management, even if there are no sperms in the husband, he still can father a child by using his spermatids (the primary cells which then grow in to sperms).
I must say here the causes of Infertility, it is male 50% and Female 45%. 5 % of the time it is UNEXPLAINED INFERTILITY. So you can see the hypocricy of our society in blaming only FEMALES in case of Infertility.
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BTW, why this topic is under "My Experience" ?
Admin/ Moderator,
Can you please move it to "views and comments" ?
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moved under
'Hitguj » Views and Comments » General'
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Storvi
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| | Friday, May 30, 2003 - 5:56 pm: |
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Interesting information, and good to hear from an expert like yourself trivector.. this is certainly useful information..
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Nirakar
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| | Friday, May 30, 2003 - 7:34 pm: |
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Intresting to know that infertality rate in India is 2% more than other countries.
Don't you think Mother Nature is playing her role here. History shows that Nature controls the gender ratio. Most of the natural calamites have some significance, like Natural disaster or outbreak of desises that controls poulation. In India population went down to record lvele down in 1921 censous, due to plaque. May be it is same that is happning..... Just a food for thought....
Please do not consider me in the group who belives "Kali yug, Mahapralay, Buchal, Yada yada hi Dharmasya etc"
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Nirakar, you are right. The mother nature does have its own ways and means to take care of the things which is against its dictum. And why are you feeling shy to be in a group who beleives in verses from Geeta like ' Yada Yada Hi Dharmasya'. My friend, our old scriptures are really guiding lights for yhe humanity and Geeta is no exception. Obviusly it is out of context on this BBS. I will just request you to think on how adavnced our Pouranik people were in the field of Infertility Management. Think of Dronacharya, Kauravas, Karna from Mahabharat. They are excellent examples. (How? Other friends can elaborate on this) Today the scientists are just re-discovering the technology which was routibnely being used by our ancestors. (Obviously this is for the ones who beleive that Mahabharat did really happened !) Cheers!
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