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Admin
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 4:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Please write your feedback and if you would like subscribe or not so we get an idea how many people will be interested in subscription.

Thanks

Saurabh
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 4:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

the idea is OK overall but a few questions:
1. do i depend on the writer of an article/peom/lekh to become subscriber and preserve his/her own work which "I" like, or do I start archiving it myself. In the later case, 30 messages is really not enough space for that. Also, may be everybody doesn't need to preserve the same articles (since high possibility is that more than one ppl would like to preserve one piece!), how would we coordinate who preserves what?

2.BB's like view and comments/looking for/mahitichi devanghevan which are not "personal" BB's but still are useful for masses will be archived by current hitguj or not?

3. i think, this new HitGuj will not provide a sense of "community" since its like a bunch of "personal" pages at one place. we here develop sense of community thru sharing views/posting feedbacks/reading feedbacks. ppl start "knowing" eachother thru this. if feedbacks are mailed instead of published, i think we are going to loose that.

I know answer to this is already included in FAQ's, but I dont find that answer good enough, so here it is again:
"Why not just accept donations?"

May be first step is to try accepting donations and see if that satisfies financial needs of hitguj, if not we can always go back to the proposed structure and give all the donors their donation worth of BB's if they want!

Mahaguru
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 5:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

I agree with Saurabh ..especially his point #3.
Payment for membership is less important, but we may loose this hitguj community.
admin .. jara dayaa kara .. yaapudhe GTP karaNaar naahi

Kiran
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 5:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Admin,
The concept is really not much clear.
I also feel something like sorabh.

I would rather prefer donating maayboli for keeping it the way it is than to BUY my personal space.

Yogibear
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 5:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Kiran: 100% pazIMbaa tulaa ...

Maitreyee
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 5:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

mala hi nakkee navya hitaguj che kay swarup rahanar ahe he kalale nahi. existing strucutre madhe je members shi interaction hote, gulamohor , views and comments madhe vichaaraanchi devan ghevan hote te band honar ka ? anek subscribers chi personal pages ase ata structure rahanar ahe ka? tase asel tar hitaguj chi sagali maja ch nighun jaeel.ya pexa ahe te strucutre thevun donations/subscripiton fees ase kahi nahi ka karata yenar ?

Nakul
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 5:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

A^Dimana malaahI saÝrBacao mhNaNao 100% pTto PLEASE AXaI naka k$ maayabaÜlaI.

Storvi
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 5:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

are mala vattay tumcha gairsamaj hotoy? Sunscription ne aplyala swatahchi ashi personal space milel, pan Hitguj che bakiche bb apan post karu shaku on a non-archival basis.
fakta saurabh cha ha point malahi yogya vatato, ki june articles vagaire pratyekani store karayche ka?

I guess donation mule thodi bandhilki yeil, and donors might feel like they can decide the direction of hitguj.
PUN Public radio chaltat tase option ka nahi karta yeu?

Weldoda
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 6:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Admin,If we are going to implement this new plan without touching and hampering the current Hitguj structure than I would support it whole heartedly.

Madhura
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 6:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

admin Ê maaJyaasaarKo Anaok laÜk AsatIla jao mostly read only member Aahot AaiNa personal web page nakÜ Aaho Ê %yaaÙa ihtgauja access krta yaoNaar ik naahI Æ kI access sauwa paid member only asnaar Æ ho jara clear hܚla kaÆ

Ishika
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 6:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

eKaVa caI Rs.1000 caI eopt nasaola va %yaacao kÜNaI AÜLKIcao nasaola pNa eKadI caaMgalaI klaaÊ gauNaÊ ivacaarÊ maaihtI maaMDayacao AsatIla tr AXyaa vaoLosa kaya kravaoÆ sponsers XaÜQat iÔravao kaÆÆ
iXavaaya malaa kuNaalaa email ID na vaaprta p`itiËyaa VayacaI Asaola tr ksaoÆ
eocCIk DÜnaoXana mauLo ho sava- p`Xna sauTuna maayabaÜlaIcaa ijaNaÜ-]war hÜ} XaktÜ kaÆ

Arun
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 6:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Admin, I also feel exactly same as that of Weldoda.

Following are some queries, which you could clarify ....

1. Those who want to be in a read only mode, can they access the personal Hitguj ?

2. What will happen to existing structure of the Hitguj ?

3. Even without owning a personal Hitguj, will anyone be in a position to post his/her articles (katha / kavita/ photo etc) on Hitguj?

Asami
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 6:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Arun I think answers to your questions are :
1. Yes, paid portion only controlls editing capabilities of HG. Any member (read only/paid or non paid) will be able to access HG.
2. Existing structure will stay almost as it is except there will not be archiving enabled.
(Admin, one con to this idea is BBs where entire community acts tigether will get affected the most and these BBs are integral parts of Hitguj Culture.)
3. Yes but they will not be archived.

Admin here's are few questions :
1. Please see comments in number 2 above
2. If feedback to the artcile in paid section is given via email, the entire BB will not fit into culture that Hitguj has evolved so far.
Is it possible to post the feedback at same place but does not get counted into limit of 30 posts.
3. Limit of 30 posts could be problematic for certain types such as poems. Could it be more like certain Megabytes ?



Admin
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 7:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

1. Thanks for the feedback. Nothing is cast in the stone. Your feedback is very valuable to decide how we implement new features.

2. There is no plan to change the current structure of Hitguj. What I suggested is in addition to that.

3. Almost all (and probably all) current sections will be available for free as they are now. But as storvi and Asami correctly said they may not remain in archival mode.

4. Some common BBs where there is useful information will be archived automatically as now. For example we have a pool of 10 (or some number) common BBS we can support and subscriber can vote which common BB they would like to support. This is just an example

5. Other BBs will become non archival. A subscriber can write a poem on his page and if he/she wishes can put a link on gulmohar. Others can either email the feedback or write feedback on gulmohar as of now but it won't be archived.

6. What I am trying to do is build a long term self maintaining system. Donation solves half the problem we face (money) but there is still half (time to maintain) that remains. Even we have more volunteer to cleanup "what should get cleaned up and what remains" is constant struggle. Trying to build something so that whatever has real interest remains
7. There is one idea instead of plain donations. 5 members can come together and instead of 5 individual own pages, they sponsor a common useful BB they really like. I am saying 5 because if only 1 member sponsors this not really "common" interest. This can be archived automatically like current BBs as long as there is sponsorship. But again how long we can support this archive (how big) needs to be resolved.
By just taking donations we can't really satisfy everybody. So trying to give back some ownership so if you care for a topic and willing to pay for it, it will survive.

8. There is no plan to change the current sense of community by some loosely defined individual pages. Just trying to find a balance where there is more control to individual, maintain community but also find a long term solution so it remains financially strong.


I may not have answered all the questions. But I am reading every comment and hope to answer all questions when I have answers

Admin
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 7:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

More answers

1. There will be some common BBs where you can post freely just like now. It won't be archived. If, what you write is good and people want to save it I am hoping they will allow to use some space on their webpage. So you can still show your talent, good thoughts. But how long they will remain on board depends on how good other write and how good others judge your work.

2. There is already facility on hitguj where you can write to somebody without exchanging emails which can be also used for feedback.

3. It may be possible (I have not determined technical feasibility) that there is one feedback page for each personal page. I will look into it but can't promise.

4. The 30 messages look small. But each message can be almost as big as a page. There is upper limit on each message size, but it almost can accomodate words of one page. We have already some novel on gulmohar where one chapter is written as one message. you can always edit and add to a message as long as it is within maximum message size.

So hoping this should be sufficient.

Rajasee
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 8:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

sadhya jya swaroopat hitguj aahe tyach swaroopatil anik he addition asel tar chalel. pan non-paids, roms na pan access hava.

Nakul
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 9:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

sTÜrvaI Ê AsaamaI va A^Dimana Kulaasaa kolyaaba_la AaBaarI Aaho. jar hI fkt addition Asaola tr malaahI maanya Aaho.

Qanyavaad prt ekda !!

Killedar
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

AhÜÊ
sagaLM pUvaI-saarKM Aaho naMÊ malaa fukTat imaLNaar Aaho naMÊ maga malaa maanya Aaho ho ilahUna admin laa kaya Feedback imaLNaar AahoÆ
malaa maanya Aaho­ maI pOsao Vayalaa tyaar Aaho
malaa maanya Aaho ­ pNa maI pOsao do] Xakt naahI
maI pOsao Vayalaa tyaar Aaho pNa Aaho %yaa svaÉpat maanya naahI
AsaM kahI trI ilaha kI mhNajao %yaaMnaa paNaI iktI KÜla Aaho yaacaa AMdaja yaošla.
naahItr %yaa gaÜiYTsaarMK vhayacaM. XaMkracyaa pIMDIvar gaavaatlao sagaLo dUQa TaktIlaca Ê toMvha maI paNaI TaklaM trI caalaola AsaM vhayacaM.

As Admin said on the first message: Please write your feedback and if you would like subscribe or not so we get an idea how many people will be interested in subscription.

malaa maanya Aaho­ maI pOsao Vayalaa tyaar Aaho. malaa kaih XaMka Aahot pNa %yaa ev*Z\yaa mah%vaacyaa naahIt. tumacyaa puZcyaa ]<aracaI vaaT phatÜ.


Kalandar77
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 11:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

good point, killedar!

admin, i want to be a subscriber. please let me know how the payment should be made.

Chafa
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 11:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

AgadI barÜbar baÜlalaat ikllaodar² :-)
A^DimanaÊ jyaaMnaa svatÁcao personal page hvao AahoÊ %yaaMcyaakDUnaca hI vaga-NaI svaIkarNaar Aahat kaÆ baakIcyaaMkDUna pOsao Gaotlao jaatIla kayaÆ malaa maaJao svatM~ Asao page nakÜ AahoÊ pNa maayabaÜlaIsaazI madt na@kIca kÉ [icCtÜ.

Upas
Monday, February 24, 2003 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Admin, I agree ur views and understand the need of change in MaayBoli. You can count me in for these plans.
Thanks

Admin
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 12:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Those of you want to donate but do not want to own page please think about the idea # 7 above. (getting together with 5 or more people..) This is just an idea as of now.
/cgi-bin/hitguj/show.cgi?tpc=46&post=363494#POST363494

Wakdya
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 3:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

1´ A^DimanaÊ malaa tumacaI klpnaa AavaDlaIÊ maa~ maI ekrkmaI 1000 Épyao dovau Xakt naahI tovha dÜna ikMvaa caar hP%yaat INR maQyao pOsao isvakaÉ Xakala kaÆ kuzoÊ ksao ina kovha pazvaayacaoÆ
2´ baakIcao BB Aka-[vh hÜNaar naahIt Asao idsatoÊ maaJyaa jyaÜitYa BB cao BaivaYya kayaÆ maaJaI maayabaÜlaIkraMnaa nama` ivanaMtI Aaho kI Ìpyaa jyaÜitYa BB cyaa Aka-[vh hÜNyaacyaa baajaunao matdana kravaot
3´ vaOya>Ik pojavar kÜNaI Aapaplyaa vyavasaayaÊklaaÊCMd [%yaadIcaI jaahIrat kÉ Xakola kaÆ vaOya>Ik pojavar kXaa pwtIcyaa majakuracaI AapNaasa Apoxaa Aaho ho jara tpiXalaat saaMgaala kaÆ

Dhumketu
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 4:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

admin,
1000/- is little bit large amount. web page developers or small co. employees can't afford 1000/-. I think it will be good to have 600/- (in installments 55/60 rs per month).
regarding archiving...can we have some storage data on free webpages where all the archived data will go...& gulmohar will have link of that page.
Is there any statistics of how many articles compared to the feedback/comment on that. so that we can know whether spate of comments is the real trouble.
Two main problems I see in the new system:
1)@ new ppl joining. When one hear @ money, he/she is reluctant to pay. This is the tendancy & we can't deny that. Right now we are ready to pay as we are somewhat emotionally attached to maayboli. What about new ppl? Just place yourself at that place & think on that line.
2) archiving for general & personal pages both.
Also I think to have better maintenance, the number of BBs should be reduced.

Beti
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 5:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Admin malaa yaat sahBaagaI vhayalaa AavaDola.
kahI xaullak XaMka Aahot : 5 jaNaaMnaI existing bbs sponsor krayacao ik navaIna ? AaiNa p`%yaokalaa svatM~ bb idlyaanao prt jaagaocaa p`Xna naahI ka yaoNaar ? culture maQalyaa vaogavaogaL\yaa saaihi%yakaMcao bbs archived zovaNaar naa ? %yaaMcyaa saaih%yaavarcaI caaMgalaI cacaa- AaiNa to saaih%yahI vaahUna jaayalaa nakÜ Asao vaaTto.

Milindaa
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 7:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

baoTIÊ malaa vaaTtM A^Dimana naI tuJyaa p`Xnaacao ]<ar var idlao Aaho. Culture ha BB yaat na@kIca yao] Xakola
>>>>>>
4. Some common BBs where there is useful information will be archived automatically as now. For example we have a pool of 10 (or some number) common BBS we can support and subscriber can vote which common BB they would like to support. This is just an example

A^DimanaÊ maaJaIhI subscriber vhayacaI tyaarI Aaho. malaa ek p`Xna AahoÊ maaJyaa vaOyai>k jaagaot dusara kÜNaI ksao kaya post kÉ Xakola Æ AaiNa jar tsao AiBap`ot nasaola tr tsao krta yao[la ka Æ mhNajaoÊ maI ek BB GaotlaaÊ pNa malaa itqao kahIhI post krNaM Xa@ya nasaola AaiNa malaa dusaáyaa kÜNaalaa trI tÜ BB vaaprayalaa Vayacaa Asaola tr to Xa@ya Aaho ka Æ


Madya
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 8:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

admin Ê

AamhI kahI jaNaÊ GTP subscribe kravaa Asaa ivacaar krt Aaho without archive or last 32/40 posts archived Ê AamhI Aasao kÉ Xakona kaÆ Aasaola tr %yaasaazI iktI Épyao Vavao laagatIla ÆÆ

Admin
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Madya, sorry GTP (the original GTP as it was) is totally different issue because of its traffic. Disk space is not problem for GTP. As I had already said in the past you should get a different server and run GTP there with a software which is designed for it. Issues related to GTP are much more complex than you realize. Please refer to my previous posts when we talked about GTP on feedback to Admin BB.
So if your question is can you add BB under existing software called GTP(as before) if we sponsor it, the answer is no. sorry. But if you trying elsewhere I will try to help you integrate.

Swati2
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 2:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Admin I would like to subscribe. I don't need my own bb. I won't mind sponsoring as described in idea #7. But I am not sure how this ownership will be handled. Will there be hitguj moderators? I will prefer that.

Yogibear
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 2:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Admin:

1. Since owned BB's wont be archived will there be a download facility where I can download all 30 Mesg or say 1st 15 mesg at once in a Text/Word File?

2. Since Yahoo does allow free space (almost 30MB) for each yahoo email account, I can store those 15 mesg there as archives but then can I give a link at the top of owned BB just like Hitguj 'Archived Folders'?

3. As per mentioned, Once you reach 30 mesg count then old mesg will be deleted. Suppose in a single day (one full day - 24 hrs) total mesg exceed 30 days then the onwer who might be religiously archiving mesg may loose couple of mesg causing a link break in the topic so instead of just "30 mesg limit" can you also add if those mesg (which may be more than 30) are posted in last "24 hrs" (24 hrs start from the point where the BB onwer is residing) then the mesg wont be deleted, that way Owners wont loose the mesg....

I would like to contribute towards 'Jyotish' BB mentioned by Wakdya....:-)

Wakdya: tulaa email taakali aahe....

Admin
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 3:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Hitguj Moderators will continue to be there for all BBS.
1. You can download message pages now and can do in future to just using save as feature of your browser.
2. I do not see any issue with link to archive site
3. I don't understand this. If the owner is the only one allowed to post messages, he/she knows when the count will exceed. Because unless he/she adds new messages, the count is going to remain same.

Yogibear
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 3:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Admin:

3. The Qn was related to BB's where owner allows others to post as well...in that case he will loose mesg :-(

1. We can do a save as from browser but it will download a html file with creation of another folder which contains all other related icons/links etc so my Qn was can we download just one clean text/Word file?

2. My Qn was how can a person as a owner give a link of archived mesg at the top of the page so that people can see it? Do we include it in the 'Title' or subject of the BB?

Thx for a prompt response....:-)

Zakki
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 3:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

malaa maaJaa svatÁcaa BB nakÜ. maI $20.00 dr vaYaI- Vayalaa AanaMdanao tyaar Aaho.
p`XnaÁ Aata jar kuiNa puNaokraMcaa BB caalaU kolaa tr itqao maaJaI mato maaMDayalaa ina Baa. ina. p`. ivacaarayalaa kuNaacaI prvaanagaI laagaola kaÆ

Admin
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 3:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

Only one person can post on personal BB. If you give it to somebody else then he only will be able to post but not you.

Sandyg15
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 3:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post  Link to this message

malaa pNa maaJaa svatÁcaa BB nakÜya. pNa maI subscription fee Vayalaa tyaar Aaho.

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