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हा हा हा. पेशवा 
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Peshawa
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300 सिनेमा माझ्या मित्रान्सोबत बघितला त्यान्च्यातल्या पुष्कळ झणान्ना स्पार्टन्स व त्यान्नी शत्रुला खिन्डीत कसे नामोहरम केले होते याबद्दल माहिती होती>>>
अरे तो पण काहि फ़ारसे सत्य नाही! हो त्या ३०० जणानी खिंड लधवली पन त्या नंतर त्यांचे आर्मार आले व पुढे रितसर लधाइ झाली! अरे logistically विचार केला तर persian च्या कहि लाख फौजेला ३०० लोक नुस्ते कापत राहिले तरी खिंड काही तासच आडवू शकतात! त्यातुन persian म्हणजे काही अगदिच दुध खुले नव्हते! ह्या गोर्यांना Greek आणि Roma च्या पलिकडे सगळे येरेगबाळे वाटतात असो
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सुमारे अडीच ते चार हजार वर्षान्पुर्वी इराण च्या बाजुने आर्य भारतात आले यावर जगातील सर्व सन्शोधकान्चे ( काही पुणेरी विद्वान सोडून) एकमत आहे.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan
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Chyayla
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| | Friday, March 23, 2007 - 12:50 am: |
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ज्याना आर्य कोण हे जाणुन घ्यायचे त्यान्नी हा नन्दिता क्रिष्णा यान्चा लेख जरुर वाचावा. ज्यान्ना सत्य जाणुन घ्यायचे आहे त्यान्च्यासाठी पुरावेच पुरावे, वरच्य wikipedia मधे फ़क्त म्हटले आहे पण पुरावे कुठेच दीले नाही हे लक्षात घ्यावे.
“Who is an Aryan?”
Author: Nanditha Krishna
Publication: New Indian Express
Date: October 26, 2003
The recent ban on sacrifices by the Government of Tamil Nadu has resulted in a rash of statements by ill-informed and motivated politicians on the “Aryanisation” or “Brahminisation” of Dravidian culture, in which gods, systems of worship and rituals have all been divided into one or another camp. The British created an Aryan-Dravidian divide, which became a useful tool for Indian politicians. It is time to separate truth from falsehood.
The conventional belief is that the “Dravidians” of the Indus Valley civilisation originally populated North India. Along came the nomadic Aryan warriors who killed or enslaved most of the Dravidians, packed off the remainder to the South, destroyed their cities and imposed their language, religion and culture. How simple, how easy!
Firstly, we now know that the cities of the Indus Valley civilisation were destroyed by the environment and geological changes, not invasion.
Secondly, nobody moved south: The Indus Valley culture moved eastwards towards the Ganga, as did the Aryans. Even Tamil literature does not speak of a north-south migration. Then, there is absolutely no evidence that the Aryans came from any place other than modern Punjab-Sindh. So we must discard forever the theory of a foreign origin for the Aryans.
The writers of the Vedas called themselves Aryas, which meant a “noble person” and not an ethnic group. Who were the Dravidians? No such word is ever used in Vedic literature, and is a very late addition, adopted by British historians. There are references to Dasa, which meant enemy (Persian daha = enemy) and later, as defeated enemies were enslaved, came to mean slave. No racial differences have been found in any Harappan archeological site, wiping out theories of different races.
There is a presumption, created by British historians, that Aryan and Brahmin are synonymous, and caste was an Aryan creation. But Aryans included every caste and jati. There are several non-Aryan Brahmin and non-Brahmin Aryan castes. There is no mention of caste in the Rig Veda, the oldest and purest Aryan literature: its first appearance is as late as the Purusha Sukta. So, caste must have been non-Vedic - or non-Aryan - in origin. Further, people changed their castes as they migrated. In our times, Pattunool weavers from Saurashtra became Iyengars in Madurai, Shreshtis (merchants) of ancient India became Sethis and Seths in northern and western India, Shettys in Karnataka and Chettys in Tamil Nadu.
All castes and communities who speak Sanskrit-based languages are presumed to be Aryans, while the speakers of Tamil, Malayalam, Telugu and Kannada are considered to be Dravidians. Language is the least reliable of all ethnic characterisations. I speak and write English -does that make me English? People always adopt the language that serves them best, for language is, after all, a means of communication.
The Saurashtra Pattunool weaving community, the Marathas of Thanjavur, and the Telugu-speaking Nayakars are among the many examples of people who have migrated and adopted the Tamil language. In the North, scheduled castes and tribes of distinct non-Aryan origin speak Sanskrit-based languages. India has a long history of migrants who adopted the local language and customs, like the Parsees who landed in Gujarat. While Sanskrit and its descendant languages belong to the Indo-European group (which includes Persian), and Southern languages are grammatically different, speaking a language does not give you an ethnic identity.
Then there is this fallacy of an indigenous Dravidian religion and an imposed Aryan religion. The gods of the Aryans were Indra, Varuna, Mitra, Agni and so on. With the exception of Agni, the all-consuming and essential fire, all of them lost their pre-eminent position to Brahma the Creator, Shiva the Destroyer, and vishnu the Preserver, none of whom are even mentioned in the Rig Veda but are now described as the face of Aryan religion. These gods are both non-Aryan and Brahmanic.
And what about the vehicles of the Gods? All this makes the Brahmins the chief promoters of non-Aryan religion! If Kartikeya or Murugan is now called the “Tamil God”, let us not forget that he owes his origin to the Greek Kshatrapas and Kushanas. The chief God of the Tamil Silappadikaram is Indran: Does that make the epic “Aryan”?
Sacrificing animals is, we are told, basic to Dravidian culture: banning sacrifice is “Aryanisation” or “Brahminisation”. Firstly, the earliest instances of animal sacrifice are recorded in Sanskrit literature, when the Aryans also sacrificed animals. In time, as religion and people evolved, Brahmins stopped sacrificing animals, thanks to the preaching of the Upanishadic rishis, the Buddha and Mahavira.
The indigenous Bhakti movement that originated in the Tamil country and slowly spread over the whole of India, spoke out against killing animals for food or sacrifice, and took the message of devotion to a personal God to the common man. One should laud the religious evolution and abjuring of primitive and cruel practices that was preached by our saints.
Sacrifice was basic to all ancient religions, a life for a life, blood for blood. As philosophers and schools of philosophy developed, the contrast between good and evil, right and wrong were extended to cover previously accepted practices. Thus slavery, human sacrifice and the caste system were condemned as crimes against people, while vegetarianism and condemnation of animal sacrifice were regarded as respect for all life.
Even those who claim that sacrifice is essential to “Dravidian” religion - whatever that means - will not eat meat on Saturdays or on the New Moon (Amavasya) day, nor will they sacrifice an animal in the pooja rooms of their homes, affirming that non-killing of animals is the higher goal. The so-called rationalists support animal sacrifice in the name of “Dravidian” culture and oppose “Brahminisation”, understanding neither and unable to define either, losing in the process, all rationalism.
Today's Hinduism is an amalgam of every tradition to be found in this country. The religion has absorbed and encompassed local traditions and gods. Thus deities like Kamakshi of Kanchi, Meenakshi of Madurai, the Ashta Vinayak of Maharashtra, Balaji of Tirumala, Ranganatha of Srirangam and Vaishno Devi of the Himalayan foothills may not find themselves in any Vedic text, but have more devotees than the Vedic Gods.
Are they Aryan or Dravidian, or even local tribal gods? Who knows and, more importantly, who cares?
The only pure Aryan ritual left is the presence of Agni or Fire, who was essential to Vedic religion. There are several non-Vedic variations to every ceremony and festival in every community, such as the mangal sutra or thaali in the wedding ceremony, the various birth rites and even forms of disposing the dead - from cremation to burial to cremation-burial. The religion has evolved and adapted over 5000 years. The best example is the festival of Ganesha, who was never a Vedic God. His worship remained localised for centuries until Lokamanya Tilak decided to utilise Ganesh Chaturthi to unite Indians to fight for self-rule. Ganesha came out of the family pooja and into the public arena, a symbol of resurgent India. Today the festival is probably the largest pan-Indian celebration after Deepavali. Yet none of these developments have scriptural sanction, nor are they Aryan or Dravidian.
So it is time politicians stop hoodwinking people about Aryan and Dravidian, and cease to blame Brahminisation to score points against each other or cover their own failures. No demarcation is possible in Hinduism. We should ask ourselves whether a law is good or bad, and support or oppose it thereafter. And stop politicians from dividing us over non-existing Aryan and Dravidian differences.
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Chyayla
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| | Friday, March 23, 2007 - 1:06 am: |
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भारतामधे तामिळ साहित्य हे सगळ्यात पुरातन म्हणुन मान्यता पावले आहे त्यात कुठेच आर्य-द्रविड आक्रमण यान्चा नामोल्लेखही नाही. कारण एवढे आक्रमण वैगेरे झाले असते तर कुठेतरी साधा उल्लेख व्हायला पाहिजे.
वरच्या लेखामधे अजुन एक महत्वाचा पुरावा सुटला आहे तो म्हणजे ऋग्वेदात "सरस्वती" नदीचा उल्लेख आहे त्याबाबतित वर्णनही केले आहे. ती सरस्वती नदी आजही गुप्त अवस्थेत अस्तित्वात आहे. यापेक्षा अजुन पुरावा काय हवा.?
पेशवा तुझे म्हणने बरोबर आहे 300 मधे ईतिहासापेक्षा काल्पनिक भाग जास्त आहे, पण मला हे म्हणायचे आहे की निदान भारतियाना तरी भारताचा गौरवास्पद ईतिहास, पराक्रम माहिती असावा.
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Peshawa
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| | Friday, March 23, 2007 - 1:44 am: |
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विजय... विकेपेडिआचे लेख ते सुधा disclaimer असलेले? ह्म्म अहो महशय जरा, जस्त नाहि, जरा कष्ट घ्या आणि हे जाणुन घ्या की theory असणे आणी सत्य असणे ह्यातला फ़रक काय... आर्य भारतात आले ही गेले जवळ्ज्वळ १०० वर्श theory आहे सत्य नाही... आता जगातले अनेक विद्वान काय म्हणतात हे तुम्ही शोधुन पहा...
(विद्वान शोधताना marx सोनिअ आणि भगवे भक्त तसेच eurocentric ह्यांच्या पासून लांब रहाता अले तर उत्तम)
ता.क. : congress office मधे काही मिळणार नाही. पण सोनिआला नवस करुन बघा त्याने कही होतय का... दिवा घ्यायला विसरू नका :-) कदाचित तो तुमच्या कडे कंदिल स्वरुपात आहेच पण मग डोळ्यावरची झापड आणि मेंढर व्रुत्ती सोडता आलि तर... हत्केश्वर हटकेशव्र!
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Chyayla
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| | Friday, March 23, 2007 - 2:57 am: |
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रामायणाचा काळ हिन्दु कालगणनेनुसार त्रेतायुग म्हणजे सुमारे १ लाख, ७० हजार वर्षापुर्वीचा मानला जातो त्याकाळी सुद्धा आर्य हे सम्बोधन अस्तित्वात होते. कुठेही द्रवीड या शब्दाचा उल्लेख नाही... वरती वीकिपिडियाच्या लेखात व पाश्चात्य हे आर्यान्चा काळ ३.५ ते ४ हजार वर्षाच्या वर जायला धजत नाही. यातच त्यान्चा फ़ोलपणा सिद्ध होतो. अर्थातच आम्हीच जगात श्रेष्ठ हे दाखवण्यासाठी ही धडपड.
नासाच्या Satelite image मधे राम सेतु स्पष्ट दाखवला आहे, Google Maps मधे याचे सुन्दर चित्र आहे.
http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&hl=en&ll=9.096164,79.556465&spn=0.475962,0.582275
ह्या सेतुचा काळही त्रेतायुगाच्या काळाशी समानता दाखवतो. याचा शोध आताच लागण्यापुर्वी लाखो वर्षापासुन कोणत्याही भारतियाला रामायणातल्या या पुलाची माहिती नाही हे शक्यच नाही.
आज ती नासा याला रामाचा सेतु मानण्यास नकार देत आहे... पण १४ सप्टेम्बर १९६६ ला जेन्व्हा त्यान्नी ही चित्रे दाखवलीत तेन्ह्वा त्याचे वर्णन The mythological land bridge between India and Sri Lanka through Rameswaram and Jaffna 1d याप्रकारे केले होते. नन्तर त्यान्नी सोयिस्कर त्यात बदल केला.
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Dhumketu
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आता तो सेतूही मोडायला निघाले आहे सरकार. श्रीलंका आणी भारताच्या मधली सागरी वाहतूक निट व्हावी म्हणून कालवा का तत्सम करणार आहेत. त्याने जहाजांचा ३० तास वेळ वाचेल आणी काही ईंधनाची बचत होईल. आता भारताच्या पुर्वेकडुन येणार्‍या जहाजांना श्रीलंका बेटाला वळसा घालून यावे लागते. 
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अरे! जिथे अयोध्येत रामाच जन्म झाला आणि तिथेच राममंदिर अस्तित्वात होते जे पाडुन,बाबराने मशिद बांधलि होती(जणु बाबर हाच भारताचा सुपुत्र होता आणि श्रीराम आक्रमण करते!) हेच जिथे हे नतद्रष्ट कॉंग्रेसवाले मान्य करायला तयार नाहित.तिथे त्या श्रीरामाच्या सेतुचे महत्व यांना काय कळणार?
जय हिंद!
जय महाराष्ट्र!
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Giriraj
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असाच वाचनात आलेला एक लेख...
Are we heading towards a Christian India?
by Francois Gautier
I am a westerner and a born Christian. I was mainly brought up in catholic
schools, my uncle, Father Guy Gautier, a gem of a man, was the parish head of
the beautiful Saint Jean de Montmartre church in Paris ; my father, Jacques
Gautier, a famous artist in France, and a truly good person if there ever was
one, was a fervent catholic all his life, went to church nearly every day and
lived by his Christian values. There are certain concepts in Christianity I am
proud of : charity for others, the equality of system in many western countries,
Christs message of love and compassion
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Yet, I am a little uneasy when I see how much Christianity is taking over India
under the reign of Sonia Gandhi : according to a 2001 census, there are about
2.34 million Christians in India ; not even 2,5% of the nation, a negligible
amount. Yet there are today five Christian chief ministers in Nagaland,
Mizoram, Meghalaya, Kerala and Andhra Pradesh.
One should add that the majority of politicians in Sonia Gandhis closed circle
are either Christians or Muslims. She seems to have no confidence in
Hindus.Ambika Soni, a Christian, is General Secretary of the Congress and a
very powerful person, with close access to Sonia Gandhi. Oscar Fernandes is
Union Programme Implementation Minister. Margaret Alwa is the eminence
grise of Maharasthra. Karnataka is virtually controlled by AK Anthony, whose
secretaries are all from the Southern Christian association. Valson Thampu, a
Hindu hater, is Chairman NCERT curriculum Review Committee, John Dayal,
another known Hindu baiter, has been named by Sonia Gandhi in the National
Integration Council ; and Kancha Ilaya, who hates Hindus, is being allowed by
the Indian Government to lobby with the UN and US Congress so that caste
discrimination in India is taken-up by these bodies.
I have nothing personnally against Sonia Gandhi, in fact she probably is a good
person to win the alliegance of so many and certainly a loving mother . I share
with her a love for India, like her I have lived in this country for over 30 years
and like her I have married an Indian. But nevertheless, since she is at the top,
Christian conversions in India seem to have gone in overdrive. More than 4,000
foreign Christian missionaries are involved in conversion activities across
different states. In Tripura, there were no Christians at independence, there are
120.000 today, a 90% increase since 1991. The figures are even more striking
in Arunachal Pradesh, where there were only 1710 Christians in 1961, but 1,2
million today, as well as 780 churches!
In Andhra Pradesh, churches are coming-up every day in far flung villages and
there was even an attempt to set up one near Tirupati. Many of the North-East
separatist movements, such as the Mizo or the Bodos, are not only Christian
dominated, but also sometimes function with the covert backing of the
missionaries. In Kerala, particularly in the poor coastal districts, you find
miracle boxes put in local churches: the gullible villager writes out a paper
mentionning his wish: a fising boat, a loan for a pukka house, fees for the sons
schooling
And lo, a few weeks later, the miracle happens ! And of course the
whole family converts, making others in the village follow suit. During the
Tsunami, entire dalit villages in Tamil Nadu were converted to Christianity
with the lure of money.
It is true that there have been a few backlashes against missionaries and nuns,
particularly the gruesome muder of Staines and his two sons. But Belgium
historian Konenraad Elst laments that « When over a thousand Hindus are
killed and a quarter million Hindus ethnically cleansed in Kashmir, the world
media doesn't even notice, but watch the worldwide hue and cry when a few
local riots take place and a few missionaries are killed by unidentified tribal
miscreants.
Christian Naga terrorists have been killing non-Christians for decades on end,
and this has never been an issue with the world media, except to bewail the
"oppression" of the Nagas by "Hindu India" ». More than 20,000 people have
lost their lives to insurgency in Assam and Manipur in the past two decades. As
recently as last week, four paramilitary Assam Rifles soldiers were killed in an
ambush yesterday by the outlawed United National Liberation Front (UNLF).
The other day I was at the Madras Medical center, the foremost heart hospital
in Madras. Right when you enter the lobby, you find a chapel, inviting
everybody to pray, there are pictures and quotations of Christ everywhere and
a priest visits all the patients, without being invited at all. Educational institutes
and orphanages run by Christian organisations have become big business in
Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and other states.
In Pondichery, where I am often, schools run by Adventists force their pupils,
mostly Hindus, to say Christian prayers every day and attend mass. They are
constantly fed anti Hindu slogans and biases under different forms, whether it
is in history books, or discourses by priests during religious classes. Even in the
elite schools or colleges, such as Saint Stephen in Delhi, Saint Xavier in
Calcutta or Loyola college in Madras, where no direct proletization is
attempted, Hindu pupils are subtly encouraged towards skepticism of their own
religion, and admiration of whatever is Western.
One should also say that its a one way traffic : remember the furor when MM
Joshi wanted the Saraswati hymn to be sung at a Chief Ministers meet on
education ? And imagine the uproar in secular India if portions of the Bhagavad
Gita, this Bible for all humanity, were read at the beginning of the day in public
schools ?
Sonia Gandhi said during the last National Integration Council meeting : « We
are committed to ideological battle against communal forces which seek to
destroy our diversity and polarise us. Certain parties promote polarisation and
confrontation. And there are certain regimes in India which promote
communalism ». But isn't the Congress under Mrs Gandhi actually promoting
communalism, by insidiously installing Christians and Muslims (and Marxists)
everywhere, propping up Christian states, allowing a free hand to missionnaries
and pressing for reservations for Christian Dalits and Muslims, as recently done
in AP, in a nation of 850 million Hindus ?
In my country, France, a Christian majority nation, it would be unthinkable to
have Hindus or even Indian born French for that matter in so many
positions of power. Impossible also to find a non-elected, non French, non-
Christian person being the absolute ruler of the country behind the scene as
Sonia Gandhi is in India.
Indians like to say that the greatness of India is that it accepts a foreigner and a
Christian like Sonia Gandhi. But isnt it rather a weakness, and an aberration ?
Cant we find a worthy leader amongst one billion Indians ? This is an India
where you see today Swami Avimukteshwarananda Saraswati of Dwarka
Peeth, made to disembark from an Indian Airlines flight for carrying his holy
dand, a thin bamboo stick which is a symbol of their spiritual designation,
inside the aircraft cabin.
Are we heading then towards a Christian India under Sonia Gandhis helm? It
would be a tremendous loss not only to India, but also to the world. For in
India, you find the only living spirituality left on this planet.
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horse and fire worship ( yagna) is a recurring motif in vedic culture.
yet we do not find any evidence of either of them in harappa.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1720/17200040.htm
सुमारे १ लाख, ७० हजार वर्षापुर्वीचा मानला जातो
you are joking, right?
ती सरस्वती नदी आजही गुप्त अवस्थेत अस्तित्वात आहे
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giriraj,
if you take out anti sonia rant from the article, what is left?
please find and read "Arctic home of Vedas" by
Lokamanya Tilak. It is now on the internet in ms word format.
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In my country, France, a Christian majority nation, it would be unthinkable to
have Hindus or even Indian born French for that matter in so many
positions of power. Impossible also to find a non-elected, non French, non-
Christian person being the absolute ruler of the country behind the scene as
Sonia Gandhi is in India.
Translation : we french are racists and religious bigots.
you indians should also copy us.
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we french are racists and religious bigots>>>>.
How come race has come here. Hindus are not there in France so no race but if you keep your eyes and ears open to listen you can see even AMERICA is a conservative country, where they say "WE BELIEVE IN GOD".
ईथे आजही abortion होऊ द्यावे की नाही यावर congress मध्ये वाद होतो. तर भारताने आपला रिलीजश पणा जपला तर तो काय एकदम हिंदु मिलीटंट कन्ट्री होईल काय?
ज्या देशात जे जास्त तेच राज्य नाही का करनार? अमेरिकेत पण मायनॉरीटी हा प्रकार आहे हे आपण विसरलात काय?
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आता हे अगदे मजेत असले तरी टु मच आहे असे मला वाटतेय. एकूनच हिंदु आहे असे म्हणने म्हन्जेच तुम्ही टिंगल करन्याचा विष्य होता असेच चित्र आहे.
बर हिंदू आहे असे म्हणले सर्व विद्वानांना का असे वाटते की लगेच आम्ही शस्त्र घेऊन मुस्लमानांना व ख्रिश्ननानां कापून काढनार? अशी भिती दाखविली की झाले ते लोक निधर्मवादी. सही है. चलनेदो.
( BTW असामी हे पोस्ट फक्त तुम्हाला नाही त्यामुळे उगीच मनाला लावुन घेऊ नका. ईग्नोर मारा)
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वरती रामायण व महाभारत हे ऐतिहासिक पुराव्यांकरता वापरले गेले आहेत. पण ही दोन्ही काल्पनिक महाकाव्ये आहेत असे अनेकांचे मत आहे. ह्यात वर्णन केलेल्या घटना खर्‍या, ऐतिहासिक आहेत असा काही ठोस पुरावा आहे का? शिलालेख, नाणी, भांडीकुंडी, अस्थी वगैरे काही?
निव्वळ जागांची नावे हा पुरावा असू शकत नाही. रामायणात लंकेचा उल्लेख आहे आणि लंका नामक बेट अस्तित्वात आहे एवढे पुरेसे नाही. कितीतरी कादंबर्‍यांमधे खरोखरच्या स्थळांचा उल्लेख असतो.
रामायण व महाभारत हा इतिहास असला तर चांगले होईल असे मला वाटते पण तसे म्हणायला चोख पुरावा देईल का कुणी?
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Peshawa
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 1:21 am: |
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रामायण व महाभारत हा इतिहास असला तर चांगले होईल असे मला वाटते पण तसे म्हणायला चोख पुरावा देईल का कुणी?
काही वेडे संशोधक करतायत प्रय्त्न... पण ते शोध घ्यायला लागले की "हिन्दुत्वादी" थरवुन त्याना सळो की पळो करून सोडले जाते मोकळ्या मनाने शोध घेणे हे देशाने "लाल" विचार अंगिकारल्या नंतर सोडुन दिले आहे! lets hope a european/american/norwegian/russian will provide some unbiased research बाकी एकंदरीतच देशातले ह्या संदर्भातील वातावरण पिठ्ठुगिरिचे आहे. तेंव्हा आशा बाळगुया कोणितरी निर्पेक्ष शोध घेइल आनि त्याला निर्पेक्ष पणे स्विकरणारे भरतिय मन असेल!!
त्यतुन हे भगवे त्यांच्य अतिश्योक्तीमुळे किती नुकसान करतात हे त्यांच्या कानाखाली पेटवून कुणितरि सांगायला हवे
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Saavat
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 9:56 am: |
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१ लाख, ७० हजार वर्षापुर्वीचा इतिहास शोधायचा म्हणजे अवघड गोष्ट आहे हो! त्यामानाने ५००० वर्षापुर्वीचा शोधन सोप आहे.
लवकर शोधा म्हणाव.. म्हणजे हिंदूवैदिकधर्म हा महाकाव्यावर आधारलेला कल्पना-विलास आहे का नाही ते तरी कळेल. त्यानंतर तरी atleast आम्हां हिंदूना पटेल. पेशवा म्हणतो त्याप्रमाणे हे पण बाहेरच्यांनी सांगितल्यावरच पटणार अस दिसतय... कालाय तस्मै नम:....
पेशवा, सूक्ष्मातल्या दृष्टीचा शोध लागला तर सगळ कस सोप होईल नाही!
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Zakki
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 1:21 pm: |
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you indians should also copy us.
विजयकुलकर्णि, तुम्ही घाबरू नका. तसे काही होणार नाही.
एकंदरीतच, secular म्हणजे हिंदूंनी आपल्या धर्माचा सर्वस्वी त्याग करून, लाचार होऊन, इतर धर्माच्या लोकांचे गुलाम होऊन रहावे, अश्या अपेक्षेचे बरेच लोक भारतात आहेत. शिवाय त्यात हिंदूंचेच प्रमाण जास्त आहे. ते हिंदू निवडून येतात, कारण ते स्वत: तसे वागतात. हिंदू धर्म श्रेष्ठ आहे हे अश्या लोकांना पटणार नाही.
वर कुणितरी म्हंटल्याप्रमाणे शिवसेना, भा. ज. प. यांनी सत्ता मिळवण्यासाठी, जिथे जे आवडेल तेच बोलायचे धोरण ठेवले आहे, म्हणून ते तसे बोलतात. बरेच हिंदू स्वत:च त्यांच्यावर टीका करतात. त्यांचे म्हणने नुसते हवेत विरून जाते. कारण सत्ता मिळायला नि त्याबरोबर स्वार्थ नि पैसा साधायला त्यांच्या विचारांचा उपयोग नाही.
शिवाय इतर धर्मात तशी सहिष्णुता वगैरे असले 'खुळचट' विचारच नाहीत. त्यांना आपल्या धर्माचा अभिमान आहे. फक्त हिंदू हे एकच असे लोक ज्यांना आपल्या धर्माची अत्यंत लाज वाटते, त्यांचे लक्ष इतरांपेक्षा जास्त प्रमाणात, हिंदू धर्मातल्या (खरे म्हणजे धर्मातल्या नाहीत, रूढी व प्रथा यातील)काहि वाईट गोष्टींचा जरूरी पेक्षा जास्त गवगवा करून चांगल्या गोष्टी दडपून ठेवणे यात, असते. असा गेल्या कित्येक वर्षातला इतिहास सांगतो.
तर कुलकर्णि आणि इतर 'तसले' लोक, तुम्ही अजिबात घाबरू नका. खुद्द भारतात अनेऽक वर्षांपूर्वी चार्वाक नावाच्या माणसाने पुनर्जन्म, इ. हिंदू धर्मातील गोष्टींची टिंगल करून म्हंटले होते, 'यावज्जीवेत्, सुखं जीवेत्, ऋणं कृत्वा घृतं पिबेत्|
भस्मीभूतस्य देहस्य पुनरागमनं कुत: ||'
पण त्याला फारसे अनुयायी मिळाले नाहीत.
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Asami
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 1:30 pm: |
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आता हे अगदे मजेत असले तरी टु मच आहे असे मला वाटतेय. एकूनच हिंदु आहे असे म्हणने म्हन्जेच तुम्ही टिंगल करन्याचा विष्य होता असेच चित्र आहे. >> देशी तुम्ही "apt" BB वरची posts वाचली असती तर तुम्हाला ह्यामागचा उपहास कळला असता. जिथे 1 != 2 and 1 != 3 implies 2=3 अशी conclusions काढून आपलीच पाठ आपण थोपटत " अहो रूपम् अहो ध्वनी " चा गजर होतो तिथे बोलणेच खुंटते नाही का ? असो सूज्ञास अधिक सांगणे न लगे
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Gobu
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| | Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 9:22 am: |
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कुळकर्णी,
Translation : we french are racists and religious bigots.
you indians should also copy us.
छान लिहीलेत हो
मला कळत नाही चान्गली शिकली सवरलेली उच्चविद्याविभुषीत लोक सारासार विचार का करत नाहीत
आपण धर्मान्ध कधीच नव्हतो वा कधीही होणार नाही
अहो हेच तर आपल्या धर्माचे महानपण आहे
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आपण धर्मान्ध कधीच नव्हतो वा कधीही होणार नाही
अहो हेच तर आपल्या धर्माचे महानपण आहे
काही लोकन्ना अगदी याच गोष्टीचे फार वाऍईट व्व्टते.
त्यान्ना वाटते, " ते पहा सौदी मुसल्मान, किती छान धर्मान्ध आहेत., आपणही तसेच असले पाहिजे"
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