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Hitguj » Culture and Society » सामाजिक » हितगुज गणेशोत्सव » हितगुज गणेशोत्सव २००४ » spQaa- » KDajaMgaI » maaNasaalaa Qama- hvaaca ka ? / Aijabaat nasaavaa » Archive through September 26, 2004 « Previous Next » Sanyojak Monday, September 20, 2004 - 5:16 pm:      spQa-k jaÜD\ya KalaIla p`maaNao.. 1 ­ dIpaMjalaI AaiNa rcanaa bavao- ‘maaNasaalaa Qama- AjaIbaat nasaavaa’ (a ivaYayaavar hI jaÜDI mato maaMDola. 2 ­ maQaura AaiNa Eawa ‘maaNasaa laa Qama- jaÉr Asaavaa’ (a ivaYayaavar hI jaÜDI mato maaMDola. Deepanjali Monday, September 20, 2004 - 7:12 pm:      maaNasaalaa Qama-Ê Qamaa-M maQao Asalaolyaa XaokDÜ jaatIÊ pÜTjaatI maQao ivaBaagaNao nasaavao Asao malaa vaaTto. mauLat Qama- jyaaMnaI p`sqaaipt kolao %yaa Anaok Qama-gauÉMnaa puZo hoca Qama- maNaasaalaa maaNasaaXaI laZvatIlaÊ ihMsaacaar krvatIlaÊ Anaok jaatIya dMgalaI ]saLvatIla AaiNa maanavata yaa Káyaa Qamaa-caa ivasar paDtIla yaacaI klpnaa nasaavaI. [Midra gaaMQaIMcaI h%yaa AsaÜÊ KilastanaI dMgalaI AsaÜtÊ mauMbaš maQalao baaÐba sfÜT AsaÜtÊ saMsadovar hllaa AsaÜÊ gaÜQara kaMD AsaÜ naahI tr WTC caI tragedy AsaÜÊ sagaL\yaa ihMsaacaarat Qamaa-MQa pNaa hIca maUL Baavanaa idsato. eka ca Qamaa-t Asalaolyaa Anaok pÜTjaatIM maQaohI vaad AahotcaÊ Baartacaoca ]dahrNa Gaotlao tr dlaItaMnaa saurvaatIlaa idlaolaI Apmaanaaspd Asp`uXya vaagaNaUk AaiNa %yaa vaagaNaukI mauLo AajahI CÜT\yaa CÜT\yaa karNaaM va$na hÜNaaáyaa %yaa dMgalaIÊ Ôulana dovaInaI itlaa barbaad krNaaáyaa maUz Bar laÜkaMcaa saUD mhNaUna Anaok ba`amhNa bainayaa samaajaacyaa BaajyaaM saar#yaa kolaoyaa k<alaIÊ mauslaIma samaajaat Asalaolao saunnaI iXayaa maQalao vaadMgaÊ Anaok gaÜYTIM cao maUL mhNajao maaNasaacaI Qaaima-k ivaBaagaNaI ² maULat kuzlaaca Qama- nasata tr yaatlyaa Anaok ihMsak vaLNa GaoNaayaa- gaÜYTI GaDlyaaca nasa%yaa Asao malaa vaaTto. Rachana_barve Monday, September 20, 2004 - 7:46 pm:      Qama- samklpnaa ho mauL karNa maaNasaatlyaa maaNausakIlaa AaLa GaalaNyaaca. Qama- ho Ô> Aaplyaalaa kahI samajaat rhaNyaacaoÊ religious maaga- follow krNyaacao inayama doNaaro guide . Aata ho guide kÜNaI vaacaayacao AaiNa kÜNaI naahI AaiNa kÜNato vaacaayacao ho svaatM~\ya p`%yaokalaa hvao. Qamaa-caa AitrokIpNaa Jaalyaanao maaNasaa maaNasaatlyaa itrskaracao p`maaNa prakÜTIlaa gaolao Aaho. badla%yaa kaLap`maaNao ho guides badlata yaoNaar nasatIla tr to jaaLUnaca Takavaot. manausmaRtIt ilahUna idlaolyaa inayamaaMp`maaNao maaNasaacyaa jaatI pÜTjaatI %yaacyaa vyavasaayaanao zrvalyaa. Aata %yaa ibacaaáyaalaa klpnaahI nasaola kI hI Qamaa-MQa laÜk %yaa klpnaoca mauL Qa$na h%yaakaMD maajavatIla. [slaama Qama-Ê iK,Xcana Qama- kÜNata ka Asaonaa maaNaUsakIcaI iXakvaNa dotÜ. maga %yaa Qamaa-tlyaa vaagaNaUkI AacarNaat AaNaayalaa Qama- baMQana kXaalaaÆ XaovaTI maaNaUsa jasao vaagaayacao tsaoca vaagatÜ maga hI qaÜtaMD kXaalaaÆ Shraddhak Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 2:53 pm:      " Qama- ja$r Asaavaa " ho saaMgatanaa " Qama- mhNajao kayaÆ " ha p`Xna jar Aalaa tr %yaacaM " ihndUÊ mauislamaÊ XaIKÊ iK,Xcana va %yaatlyaa jaatI vagaOro " ho Ôar ZÜbaL ]<ar JaalaM. saMsaÌtmaQyao Qamaa-caI vyaa#yaa " QaarNaat Qama-ma [it Aahu |" mhNajaoca " manauYya jyaa gaÜYTI QaarNa krtÜ ³AacarNaat AaNatÜ´ %yaa mhNajao Qama-Ê AXaI kolaI gaolaI Aaho. AaiNa kÜNa%yaa gaÜYTI QaarNa kravyaat ho saaMgaNyaacaa ek sava-maanya resource mhNaUna Qama- AsaNaM AavaXyak Aaho. Qama- kÜNatahI AsaÜÊ tÜ maaNasaaMcyaa jagaNyaacaM ek standard inaiXcat krtÜ. p`%yaok manauYya jyaa Qamaa-caa AnauyaayaI AsatÜÊ tÜ %yaa Qamaa-cyaa inayamaaMnausaar svat : caM jaIvana GaDvaNyaacaa p`ya%na krt AsatÜ. Qama- mhTlaa mhNaUna %yaat sava- caaMgalyaaca gaÜYTI Aahot AsaMhI naahI. ]dahrNaaqa-Ê ihMdU Qamaa-t AMQaEawaÊ maM~ tM~ yaasaar#yaa gaÜYTIhI [tr Anaok caaMgalyaa gaÜYTIMbarÜbar ekvaTlyaa Aahot. trIhI Qamaa-laa samaUL naYT kravaa AXaI klpnaa maaMDlaI jaa} Xakt naahI. karNa Aajacyaa samaaja rcanaocaa payaa AgadI puratna kaLapasaUna Qama- ha Aaho. [t@yaa KÜlavar Éjalaolyaa saMklpnaovar jar hllao Jaalao tr %yaacaa ivaprIt pirNaama hÜNyaacaI Xa@yata jaast Asato. Qamaa-MQata ho %yaacaM ek ]dahrNa² &anaoXvarIt KalaIla AÜvaI kmaa-Mnaa ]_oXaUna AahoÊ tI tXaIcyaa tXaI Qamaa-laahI laagaU hÜto. " AavaDityao ÔLI | Asaaro saalaIM AazÜLI | %yaasaazI AvagaLI | ÔLato kÜNhI ||" mhNajao AitXaya caaMgalyaa ÔLathI kahI %yaajya gaÜYTI Asatat mhNaUna laÜk jasao saMpUNa- ÔLacaa %yaaga krt naahIt %yaacap`maaNao Qamaa-caa saMpUNa- %yaaga na krta %yaatIla vaašT gaÜYTI tovaZ\yaa Takta yaayalaa hvyaat. " jar manauYya %yaalaa hvaa tsaaca vaagatÜÊ tr Qamaa-cao baMQana kXaalaaÆ " -------- jagaat sava-~ vaahtukIsaazI inayama banavalao gaolao Aahot. ho inayama mhNajao vaahtukIcaa Qama- Jaalaa. kahI maaNasao ho inayama paLt naahIt va %yaaMnaa vaaTola tsao vaagatatÊ mhNaUna kÜNaI vaahtukIcao inayama maÜDIt kaZNyaacaa ivacaar maaMDt naahIÊ karNa ho inayama follow krNaaro doKIla bahusaM#ya Aahot. tÜca inayama jasaacyaa tsaa Qamaa-laa laagaU hÜtÜ. Sanyojak Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 5:29 pm:      manDLI spQao- saazI jar AjaUna tumhalaa jaÜDIdar saapDt nasaola tr ek saUcanaa.. AapNa svatM~pNao (a spQao- maQao Baaga Gyaayalaa sauÉvaat k$ Xakta. maga naMtr jaÜDIdar imaLalaa kI %yaacao naava saMyaÜjakaMnaa kLvaa. Aqaa-t spQao- maQao Baaga Gyaayacyaa AaQaI saMyaÜjakaMnaa %yaa p`maaNao maola k$na kLvaNao jaÉrIcao Aahoca. tsaoca AaNaKIhI ek badla mhNajao tumhI kÜNa%yaahI ivaYayaavar ilahU Xakta. Ô> tumhI inavaDlaolyaa ivaYayaacaI pUva-klpnaa saMyaÜjakaMnaa AaQaI Va mhNajao to tumhalaa ivaYayaacyaa ‘ baajaUnao ’ kI ‘ ivaÉw’ ilahayacao to saucavaU XaktIla. Qanyavaad. Deepanjali Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 6:20 pm:      manauYya jyaa gaÜYTI AacarNaat AaNatÜ tÜ Qama-Ê AXaI jar Qamaa-caI vyaa#yaa Aaho tr ho t%va&ana samajaNaro laÜk AajahI ka ihMdUÊ mauslaImaÊ XaIKÊ šsaaš AXaa saacyaaM maQao svat : laa baMidst krNao Baaga paDtat Æ ka naahI eKaVacyaa AacaraNaa p`maaNao %yaalaa naava idlao jaat Æ ]dahrNa Vayacao Jaalao trÊ baabarI maXaId jamaInadÜst krNaaáyaaM pOkI kahI laÜk svat : laa saOinakÊ saaQaU ³²´Ê kahI pMiDt ³²´Ê tr kahI svat : laa samaajasaUQaark mhNavatat Ê maÜz maÜzo media tI baatmaI saaMgatanaa Ê xxxx saOinakaM kDUna maiXad ]Qvast ² AXaa baatmyaa CaptatÊ saaMgatat ² Ata [qao vaastivak phata jyaa ‘destructive’ laÜkaMnaa saOinak mhMTlao Aaho %yaaMnaa terrorist ka naahI mhNat Æ Qamaa-cyaa definition p`maaNao yaa laÜkaMnaI AacarNaat AaNalaolaI gaÜYT ho samaajaat dMgalaI ]saLvaNyaacao Ê ihMsaolaa karNaIBaUt Asao Ì%ya hÜtoÊ ka naahI samaaja %yaaMnaa %yaaMnaI AacarNaat AaNalaolyaa Ì%yaanausaar AitrokI mhNat Æ tsaoca ho so called ijahadI AitrokIÊ %yaaMnaa samaajaat mauslaIma Qamaa-t gaNalao jaato ² Kro tr mauslaIma caa Aqa- ‘mausala [maana Ê mhNajao jyaacao naIyat piva~ Aaho Asaa tÜÊ trIhI %yaaMnaa mauslaIma ca mhNatat ² maNaUsa jyaa gaÜYTI AacarNaat ANatÜ tÜ Qama-Ê AXaI vyaa#yaa jyaaMnaI kolaI tI vyaa#yaa %yaa laÜkaM barÜbar ca saMplaI. baakI samaajat kovaL ihMdU maaNasaacao vaMXaja ihMdUÊ mauslaIma cao vaMXaja mauslaIma [tkoca kaya to caalaU Aaho. fLacaI baI kuzlaI AaiNa gar kuzlaa ho na AÜLKNyaa [tka samaaja saaQaa BaÜLa naahI tr ho Qamaa-MQa laÜk ÔL naasao pya-Mt vaaT phatat mhNajao %yaatlaI baI AaiNa naasalaolaa gar dÜnhI caa f> samaÜrcyaa vya>Ilaa fokUna maaryalaa ]pyaÜga hÜtÜ ² mhNaUna mauLat ho Qama- ca nasato tr maaNasaa maaNasaa maQalao ihMsak vaad [t@yaa CÜT\yaa CÜT\yaa karNaaM va$na prakÜTIlaa gaolao nasato Asao malaa vaaTto. Rachana_barve Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 6:48 pm:      jaÜpya-Mt ÉZI prMpra AaiNa Qama- (atlaa Ôrk laÜkaMnaa krta yaot naahI tÜpya-Mt Qama- hI concept samaajaatUna kaZUna TaklaolaIca barI. Qamaa-caI mauL saMklpnaa jarI caaMgalaI AsalaI trI deeps mhNato %yaap`MAaNao ihMducaa vaMXaja ihMdu mausalamaanaacaa mausalamaana [qao gallat hÜto Aaho. AaplyaakDo AByaasËma kÜNata inavaDayacaa. puZo kaya krayacao vagaOro svaatM~\ya maulaaMnaa idlao jaato. malaa vaaTto jaÜpya-Mt eKVa ihMdu vaiDlaaMcaa AaiNa mausalamaana Aašcaa maulagaa saaMgau Xakt naahI kI malaa iK,Xcana Qamaa-tlyaa (a (a gaÜXTI AavaDlyaat AaiNa %yaa maI AacarNaat AaNaNaar Aaho ho mhNaNyaacao svaatM~\ya yaot naahI AaNaI %yaalaa mhNaUna maga tÜ iK,Xcana ikMvaa Aro tÜ ihMdu AsaUnapNa ksaa kaya Asaa vaagatÜ AXaI laobala laavalaI jaat Aahot tÜpya-Mt Qama- concept laÜkaMnaa kLlaI Asao vaaTt naahI. (a concept laa prt ekda ]jaaLa idlaa gaolaa paihjao. kdaicat AapNa (a concept caa Aqa- samjaUna Gyaayalaa laayakca nasau tr kahItrI dusarI ]payayaÜjanaa kolaI paihjao. Qamaa-caa Aaga`h Qa$ nayao. kÜNa%yaahI gaÜYTIcaa Aitrok ha vaašTca AsatÜ Madhurag Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 9:59 am:      Qama- mhNajao kayaÆ tr maaNasaacao ivacaar AaiNa %yaa ivacaaracao AacarNa mhNajao Qama-.qaÜD@yaat mhNajao maaNasaacao nature mhNajao Qama-. jasao paNaI ho d`va Asato mhNajao tÜ paNyaacaa Qama- AsatÜ. paNyaacao Gana sva$p ha paNyaaca dUsara Qama-. d`va sva$p ha paNyaacaa ina%ya Qama- tr Gana sva$p ha paNyaacaa naOimai<ak Qama- AsatÜ. maanava Qamaa-cao sauw\ha tsaoca Aaho. nausato XarIr ha Qama- naahI tr %yaatlaa Aa%maa ha Qama- Aaho. Qama- AsaNao iknvaa nasaNao ho maanavaacyaa hatat naahI karNa jaoMvha eKaVa XarIralaa Aa%maa imaLtÜ toMvhaca %yaa maaNasaalaa Qama- imaLtÜ. Qama- nasaavaa mhNaNao mhNajao maaNasaacyaa XarIrat Aa%maa nasaavaa Asao mhNaNyaasaarKo Aaho. Deepanjali Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 1:40 pm:      maQauraÊ tU AaiNa EaQda naoÊ ‘maaNasaacaa nature mhNajaoca Qama’-Ê Asao maaMDlao AahoÊ %yaa saMbaMQaI maI kala kahI questions kolao hÜtoÊ (in my post dated sept 21 st , 2:20 p.m., Plz try to explain more about it. ´ tU tuJyaa post maQao mhNatlao Aahosa %yaa p`maaNaoÊ 1´ maaNasaacao nature mhNajao %yaacaa Qama-. 2´ maaNasaacaa Aa%maa ha %yaacaa Qama- AahoÊ Qama- maaNasaacyaa hatat nasatÜÊjaovha XarIralaa Aa%maa imaLtÜ tovha Qama- imaLtÜ. Ata hI dÜna AgadI prspr ivarÜQaI statements Aahot . eikkDo mhNatosa kI maaNasaacao 'nature' mhNajao %yaacaa Qama-Ê maaNasaacao ivacaarÊ %yaacao AacarNa mhNajao %yaacaa Qama- ² dusarI kDo mhNatosa kI ‘Qama- AsaNao ikMvaa nasaNao maanavaacyaa hatat naahI’ mhNajao yaacaa Aqa- Asaa Jaalaa kI maaNasaacaa nature maaNasaacyaa htat naahIÊ maaNasaacyaa ivacaaraMcao AacarNa %yaacyaa hatat naahI ²²² [qao tuJyaa mataM p`maaNao Qamaa-caI basic vyaa#yaa ca kÜlamaDlaI kI maga ² tuJyaa dÜna inarinaraL\yaa statements p`maaNaoÊ]Va eKada maaNaUsa caÜrI krayalaa laagalaa tr tU Asao mhNaNaar ka ‘caÜrI krNao’ ha %yaacaa nature= %yaacaa Qama- AahoÊ pNa to %yaacyaa hatat naahI ÆÆÆÆ malaa AgadI ]laT vaaTtoÊ nature ikMvaa svaBaava ha maaNaUsa svat : laa jasao GaDvatÜ tsaa tÜ GaDtÜÊ manauYyaacao AacarNa ho AgadI 100% %yaacyaa hatat ca AahoÊ tÜ mhNaU Xakt naahI kI maaJaa ‘Aa%maa’ca Asaa Aaho mhNaUna maI Asaa vaagaNaar ² AaiNa malaa saaMgaÊ ‘Aa%maa mhNajao trI kaya’ Æ ‘eKaVa XarIralaa Aa%maa imaLtÜ tovha %yaalaa Qama- imaLtÜ’Ê ho tuJao ivaQaana pNa AgadIca ZÜbaL Aaho. tuJyaa mato AaQaI maaNasaacao XarIr tyaar hÜtoÊ AaiNa kÜNaI trI jaadUcaI kaMDI iÔrvaUna %yaat Aa%maa TktÜ Asao tulaa mhNaayacao Aaho kI kaya malaa vaaTtoʑAa%maa’Ê mhNajao maaNasaacao manaÊ to maaNaUsa svat : ca GaDvatÜÊkuzlyaa XarIralaa ‘Aa%maa’ Asaa gift imaLalyaa saarKa imaLt naahI ² mhNaUna ca maI punha ekda mhNatoÊ ‘ maaNaasaacao Aacaar ivacaar ha %yaacaa Qama’-- Asao Asaola tr ka naahI maaNasaalaa %yaacyaa Aacaar ivacaaraM p`maaNao saMbaÜQalao jaat Æ ka AajahI Anaok dMgalaI krNaaáyaa laÜkaMnaa ‘ihMdU’Ê mauslaIma‘ dMgala Asao saMbaÜQatat Æ ka naahI sarsakT dÜnhI dMgaa krNaaáyaaMnaa AitrokI mhNat Æ ka AajahI Qama- ha ’pUva-jaaMkDUna vaMXajaaMnaa imaLalaolaa‘ Asao ga`uiht Qartat Æ ’AacarNa mhNajao Qama‘-Ê hI vyaa#yaa %yaa vyaa#yaa krNaaáyaa laÜkaM barÜbar kQaIca lauPt JaalaI Aaho. mhNaUna ca maI punha mhNatoÊ ’Qa`ma‘ ho ca mauLat nasato tr yaa sagaL\yaa klaaMtranao badlaNaayaa- Qamaa-cyaa vya#yaaÊ ihMsak Qaaima-k caLvaLI ca GaDlyaa nasa%yaa. Bee Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 3:27 pm:      Aroccaa JaalaI mhNajao KDajaMgaI sau$. maQaura dIpa rcanaa Cana caalalao Aaho.. AjaUna jaÜrjaÜrat hÜ} Va Shraddhak Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 3:50 pm:      maÜz maÜzo media tI baatmaI saaMgatanaa Ê xxxx saOinakaM kDUna maiXad ]Qvast ² AXaa baatmyaa CaptatÊ saaMgatat ² Ata [qao vaastivak phata jyaa ‘destructive’ laÜkaMnaa saOinak mhMTlao Aaho %yaaMnaa terrorist ka naahI mhNat Æ <<<< %yaaMnaI jar tsaM ilaihlaM tr %yaaMcyaa news naa market value rahIla kaÆ channel caa TRP ikMvaa poprcaa Kp ta%kaL KalaI yaošla. laÜk AjaUnahI svat : la ihMdUÊ mauislama yaat divide krtat karNa Qama- AaiNa religion yaat kolaI gaolaolaI gallat. ihMdUÊ mauislama ho religions AhotÊ Qama- navho. %yaalaa marazI p`itXabd pMqa ikMvaa saMp`daya Asaa AsaU Xakola. mhNaUna (a jyaa AitrokI p`vaR<aI Aahot %yaa Qamaa-t naahIt tr religion maQyao Aahot. jaÜ manauYyaalaa yaÜgya jagaNyaacao inayama saaMgatÜ tÜ Qama-. ]da. gaIta ha Qama- AahoÊ karNa tÜ kuzlyaahI eka religion ba_la baÜlat naahI. samajaaÊ Qa$na caalaU kI Qama- hI saMklpnaa naYT kolaIÊ tr %yaalaa pyaa-ya kayaÆ karNa jar ittkaca strong pyaa-ya hatat nasaolaÊ tr Qamaa-laa naYT kolyaanao kaya saaQya hÜNaarÆ maI kala idlaolyaa vaahtUk inayamaaMcao ]dahrNa punha Gyaa... qaÜDa vaoL Qa$na caalaU kI kuzlaIhI pyaa-yaI vyavasqaa na dota saQyaacao vaahtUk inayama maÜDIt kaZlao tr puZo ]d\BavaNaayaa- samasyaaMsaazI AaplyaakDo ]paya tyaar Aahot kaÆ AaiNa Qama- hI AXaI gaÜYT Aaho kI ijacyaa baabatIt " pihlao Qama- maÜDIt tr kaZuyaaÊ pyaa-yaacao saavakaXa pahta yaošla " Asaa piva~a Gaotlaa jaa} Xakt naahI. karNa samaaja saurLIt caalaNyaasaazI kahI inayama ho AavaXyak Aahot. AaiNa Qamaa-cyaa p`BaavaacaM kayaÆ kahI gaÜYTI jyaa kayaVacyaa ikMvaa iva&anaacyaa maaQyamaatUna saaMgaUnahI laÜkaMnaa pTt naahIt %yaa Qamaa-cyaa maaQyamaatUna lavakr svaIkarlyaa jaa} Xaktat. ]dahrNaaqa- caatu-maasaacaa concept AaiNa %yaat vajya- Asalaolyaa AÙasaMbaQaIcao inayamaÊ ra~I JaaDaKalaI na JaÜpNyaacaI pwtÊ ETC . Deepanjali Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 5:35 pm:      EaQdaÊ According to your post dated (21 st sept, 10:53 a.m.) ‘maaNaUsa jyaa gaÜYTI QaarNa krtÜÊ AacarNaat AaNatÜÊ tÜ Qama-. Aaja tU mhNatosa ’maaNasaalaa jaÜ jagaNyaacao yaÜgya inayama saaMgatÜ tÜ Qama‘-. maQaura mhNatoya kI ’maaNaasaacaa Aa%maa³jaÜ imaLNao maaNasaacyaa htat naahI´ikMvaa %yaacao nature mhNajao Qama-. malaa vaaTto tumacao Qamaa-caI vyaa#yaa krtanaa qaÜDo confusion hÜt Aaho. AaiNa naomako hoca malaa mhNaayacao Aaho kI samaajaat [tkI confusions Ê matBaotÊ laZayaaÊ baMQanaoÊ AMQaEaQda ho sagaLo jyaa gaÜYTI saazI AahotÊ tI gaÜYT ca maULat kÜNaacaI clear naahIyao . tumacyaaca dÜGaIMcyaa dÜna posts paihlyaa kI Qamaa-cyaa vyaa#yaa krtanaa barIca variations idsatat. Aata tU ho hI mhNatosa kI ihMdUÊ mauslaIma ho maULat Qama- naahIt tr pMqa Aahot.mauslaIma Qamaa- cyaa baabatIt ho kahI AMXaI Kro AahoÊ kI %yaaMnaa ‘pOgaMbaraMnaI’ sqaaipt kolao AaiNa Anaok laÜk %yaa pMqaacao AnauyaayaI banalaoÊ klaaMtranao %yaalaa Qamaa-cao sva$p Aalao. pNa tsao tuJyaa vyaa#yao p`maaNao pOgaMbaraMnaI hI maaNasaalaa jagaNyaacao inayama ca saaMigatlaoÊ maga tÜ jarI pMqa Asaola trI tuJyaa vyaa#yao p`maaNao Qama- ca Jaalaa. ihMdU Qamaa-laa Amauk ek Asaa sqaapk naahI %yaamauLo ‘ihMdU’ ha pMqa Aaho AaiNa [tr AnauyaayaI Aahot Asao naahI mhNaU Xakt. tU [qao ]dahrNa idlaosa to Aaho gaItocao. gaIta jao saaMgato to sagaL\yaa pMqaaM saazI Aaho ho izk AahoÊ pNa gaIta saaMgato to tr Jaalao ‘t<v&ana’Ê ‘]pdoXa’Ê maaga-dXa-k ikMvaa inayamaavalaI ² %yaalaa Qama- mhNat AsaXaIla tr maga ‘QaarNa krNao mhNajao’Qama‘-Ê hI vyaa#yaa baajaulaa pDto. malaa toca mhNaayacao AahoÊ [t@yaa vya>IMcyaa Qamaa- ba_la cyaa AsaM#ya confusion maQao Qama- yaa XabdacaI vyaa#yaa kÜNaalaaca clear naahIyao AaiNa trIhI Aaja jagaat hÜNaaro savaa-t jaast ihMsak vaad ho ’Qamaa-‘ va$na hÜt Aahot. tumhI mhNata tXaI ’AcarNaa cao inayama‘ ihca Qamaa- caI vyaa#yaa AsatI tr ’Qama- hvaa ka nakܑ hI cacaa- krNyacaI pNa vaoL AalaI nasatI. Qamaa-caI vyaa#yaa Aaja ’maaNasaa maNasaalaa ivaBaagaNyaa purtIÊ hovao davaoÊ ]cca naIcaÊ ihMsak Ì%yao‘ krNyaa purtIca raihlaI Aaho. %yaa poxaa vaaTto maULat Qama- hI concept ca nasatI tr maaNasaalaa [t@yaa tukD\yaaM maQao divide krNao AaiNa yaa sagaL\yaa ihMsak gaÜYTI ca GaDlyaa nasa%yaa. Qamaa-laa pyaa-ya naahI ho malaa Aijabaat maanya naahI. ikMbahunaa Qamaa-mauLo maaNaUsa Amauk eka descipline nao vaagatÜ ho hI maanya naahI. Qama- nasalyaanao samasyaa tr ]Qd\BavaNaar naahItÊ ]laT kmaI na@kI hÜtIla. baakI raihlao samaajaacyaa AacarNaa ivaYayaIÊ malaa vaaTto savaa-Mnaa samaana AaXaa yaÜgya kayada vyavasqaonao to saaQya hÜNyaasa madt hܚla.Qamaa-tIla caaMgalyaa gaÜYTIM ba_la ³ e.g. caatumaa-sa´tU jao ilaihlao Aahosa %yaa gaÜYTI hI jarI Qama- nasata trI ilaihlyaa gaolyaaca Asa%yaa.kdaicat maga %yaa savaa-M saazI ilaihlyaa gaolyaa Asa%yaaÊ AaiNa ’savaa-MsaazI‘ samaana hoca malaa mah%vaacao vaaTto. Rachana_barve Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 5:35 pm:      Eawa Aata tu gallat krto Aahosa Asa malaa vaaTt. caatumaa-saat kaya Kayacao AaiNa kaya naahI ho Qama- saaMgatÜ ik religion Æ manauXyaalaa jagaNyaacao inayama saaMgatÜ tÜ Qama-Ê maanya Aaho. pNa igata vaacaNyaasaazI AaiNa %yaacao inayama follow krNyaasaazI ihMdu Qama- isvakarNyaacaI garja Aaho kaÆ inayama follow krayalaa kahIca naa naahI. pNa haca inayama follow kra AaiNa tÜ nakÜ Asao baMQana kXaalaaÆ (a baMQanaacaa ivapyaa-sa hÜ]naca tr Aaja hI pirisqatI JaalaI Aaho. Qamaa-ba_lacaI mat saMkuicat nasatI tr puvaI- iba`TIXaaMnaa ivaihirt pava TakUna Aata to paNaI Pyayalaot tumhI Aata tumhI baaTlaa Asao BaaYya krta Aala nasat. Krca kaya Ôrk pDtÜÆ ihTlar nao AsaM#ya jyauMnaa maa$na kaya saaQalaoÆ jar Qama- klpnaa [tkI saMkucaIt Asaola tr kucakamaIca Aaho. Qamaa-tlao sagaLo inayama follow kolao trca tu mhNatosa kI sagaL saurLIt caalaola. pNa Krca ka AapNa sagaLo inayama follow krtÜÆ maga Qama- Asalaaca paihjao A+hasa kaÆ Yog Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 6:38 pm:      Ôarca kDa@yaanao BaaMDtat yaa DJ, RB .. saMyaÜjakÊ yaanaa Bee cyaa kivata KDajaMgaI BB var saÜDa baro Sanyojak Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 8:17 am:      namaskar.. caarhI spQa-kaMcaI KDajangaI Ôarca rMgatdar caalalaI Aaho. lagao rhÜ. Aata tumhalaa Ajauna ek spQa-k saaimala hÜt Aaho. iLMbauiTMbau. to (a ivaYayacyaa ‘ maaNasaa laa Qama- jaÉr Asaavaa ’ (a bajaunao vaad GaalatIla. LT tumacao svaagat Aaho. Milindaa Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:36 am:      caatumaa-saat kaya Kayacao AaiNa kaya naahI ho Qama- saaMgatÜ ik religion ? <<<< rcanaaÊ tUca ]<ar do baGaU yaacaM.. ikmaana religion mhNajao marazIt kaya ho trI maja pamaralaa saaMga baGaU Gandhar Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 12:25 pm:      maÊ Ea .. jaÜrdar caalaU do.. ‘isaMh gaolaa trI caalaola pNa gaD ijaMklaaca pahIjao’ Sanyojak Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 1:59 pm:      namaskarÊ igarIrajahI (a ivaYayaavar kahI ilahU [icCtat. igarIraja tumacao svaagat Aaho. Rachana_barve Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 3:12 pm:      imailaMda malaa Ô> [tkca mhNaayaca hÜt kI caatumaa-saat kaya Kayacao ikMvaa naahI ikMvaa kÜNato saNa krayacao ho Qamaa-maQao ilaihlaolao nasaUna kdacaIt yaa samaajaatlyaa laÜkaMnaI kahI karNaanao kolaolao inayama Asaavaot. Deepanjali Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 8:37 pm:      EaQdaÊ maQauraÊ ilaha naaÊ caar ca idvasa ]rlao spQao-laaÊ KDajaMgaI kÉyaa Ajauna Asmadik Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:18 pm:      Deepali, tujhi postings vaachun tu Punyaachi aahes yaachi khaatri jhaali :-) Ani ho, dharm nasataa tar tula hee khadajangee karataa aali nasatee ho, tevha dharm havaach :-) Everybody, keep it up. --- Asmaadik Shraddhak Friday, September 24, 2004 - 1:59 pm:      malaa toca mhNaayacao AahoÊ [t@yaa vya>IMcyaa Qamaa- ba_la cyaa AsaM#ya confusion maQao Qama- yaa XabdacaI vyaa#yaa kÜNaalaaca clear naahIyao AaiNa trIhI Aaja jagaat hÜNaaro savaa-t jaast ihMsak vaad ho ’Qamaa-‘ va$na hÜt Aahot maanya Aaho kI kahI p`maaNaat confusion Aaho. maga Qama- hI klpnaa samaUL naYT krNyaaAaQaI %yaacaa Kra Aqa- kaya Aaho to trI XaÜQaUna pahU Asaa approach ka naahI Gaota yaotÆ kdaicat %yaat kahI badla k$nahI tÜ iTkvata yaošla. ka tÜ iTkvaayacaaca naahI AsaM tuJaM mhNaNaM AahoÆ AgadI Aaplaa eKada AavaDta dress Asalaa AaiNa tÜ jara kuzo ÔaTlaa tr AapNa pihlao rÔU vagaOroMcaa ivacaar krtÜ. tÜ ekdma ÔokUna dot naahI. maga Qamaa-saar#yaa gaÜYTIcyaa baabatIt direct naYT krayacao option kaÆ yaava$na kuNaI AsaahI mau_a maaMDU XaktIla kI tÜ sauQaarNaopilakDo gaolaa Aaho vagaOro. jar yaavar %yaaMnaI saaMgaÜpaMga AByaasa kolaa Asaola tr to points hI yaa mau_\yaabarÜbar ja$r maaMDavaot. Qamaa-laa pyaa-ya naahI ho malaa Aijabaat maanya naahI. <<<< DJ Ê Asaa pyaa-ya Asaola tr tÜ details maQyao maaMDU XakXaIla kaÆ ikMvaa %yaacaI general information, pros and cons vagaOro . Qamaa-tlao sagaLo inayama follow kolao trca tu mhNatosa kI sagaL saurLIt caalaola. << rcanaaÊ maI kuzlyaahI pÜsTmaQyao Asaa davaa kolaolaa naahIyao kI kaTokÜrpNao sagaLo inayama paLlao tr sagaLM saurLIt caalaola. Ô> tI condition kahIca inayama nasalaolyaa vyavasqaopoxaa caaMgalaI Asaola AsaM malaa mhNaayacaM Aaho. baakI raihlao samaajaacyaa AacarNaa ivaYayaIÊ malaa vaaTto savaa-Mnaa samaana AaXaa yaÜgya kayada vyavasqaonao to saaQya hÜNyaasa madt hܚla. <<<< laÜk kayaValaa jaovaZo jaumaanat naahIt tovaZo to Qamaa-laa Gaabartat. maga tI AMQaEawa AsalaI trI doKIla. kayaVat " caÜrI " laa iXaxaa Aahoca pNa maaNaUsa caÜrI krayacaM qaaMbavatÜ kaÆ yaa]laT Xaina iXaMgaNaapUrlaa jaI darM nasalaolaI GarM Aahot tÜ kXaacaa p`BaavaÆ maI ho mhNat naahI kI itqao caÜyaa- hÜtca nasatIla pNa Aajacyaa kaLathI %yaa laÜkaMnaa Garalaa daro na laavaNyaat ksalaIhI BaItI vaaTt naahI. ho Qamaa-maQao ilaihlaolao nasaUna kdacaIt yaa samaajaatlyaa laÜkaMnaI kahI karNaanao kolaolao inayama Asaavaot. rcanaaÊ Qamaa-maQyao ilaihlaM naahIyao mhNajao na@kI kuzo ilaihlaM naahIyaoÆ tuJyaakDo eKado Qamaa-cao reference book Aaho kaÆ Qama- hvaa mhNaNao mhNajao samaajaalaa follow krNyaasaazI kahI yaÜgya inayama hvaot Asao mhNaNao. AaiNa yaa inayamaaMnaa maI Qama- maanato. maga to kuzlyaahI religion cyaa laÜkaMkDUna Aalaolao AsaÜt. Deepanjali Friday, September 24, 2004 - 3:30 pm:      EaQdaÊ Qamaa-naI samaajaat Aa<aa pya-Mt caaMgalyaa gaÜYTIM poxaa vaašT gaÜYTI vaaZayalaa ca hat Baar laavalaa Aaho Asao maaJao mat Aaho. %yaamauLo tÜ iTkvaayacaa p`Xna ca yaot naahI. [qao tU idlaolao dress cao example pNa kahI fit basat naahIÊ AavaDta dress faTayacaI hI kÜNaI vaaT phat naahIÊ kovaL badla%yaa jamaanyaa nausaar out dated Jalaa trI badlatatÊ faTNaoÊrF,ÔU tr dUr ca raihlao. dudO-vaanao Qama- hI concept badla%yaa kaLa nausaar badlat naahIÊ ]laT ik%yaok jaunaaT mataMnaa kovaL Qamaa-caa paizMbaa Aaho mhNaUna AajahI dujaÜra idlaa jaatÜ. tajao ]dahrNa Vayacao Jaalao tr %yaa ‘karigala’ yauQdt paikstanaat baMdI Jaalaolyaa AaiNa Acaanak prtlaolyaa ‘Airf’ cao ² %yaacyaa baayakÜnao tÜ maolaa samajaUna dusaro lagna kolaoÊ Aata %yaacyaa poxaa jaast sahvaasa itlaa dusaáyaa navaáyaacaa AahoÊ tI pregnant pNa AahoÊ AXaa vaoLI kÜNaa barÜbar rhayacao ho personal decision tI zrvaNaar kI itcyaa Qamaa-caa tÜ ‘jaunaaT’ kayada Æ AXaa Qamaa-M maQao ksalaa patch up Ê ijaqao laÜkaMcaI mentality ca Qamaa-mauLo sick JaalaI Aaho AXaa Qamaa-laa samauL naYT krNaoca caaMgalao. maaNasaacyaa XarIrat eKada Baaga saDayalaa laagalaa tr tÜ kapUna kZNyaa iXavaaya pyaa-ya nasatÜÊ toca valid Aaho Qamaa- mauLo saDlaolyaa laÜkaMcyaa mentality laaÊ %yaamauLo samaajat psarNaaáyaa ihMsak rÜgaraš laa ² maaJyaa mato ‘savaa-Mnaa samaana kayada’ ha kaLa p`maaNao update hÜNaaraÊ savaa-Mnaa samaana Asao kayado zovaNaara AsaavaaÊ AMQa EaQdaÊ ?ZIÊ samaajaat jaatIya fUT paDNaara nasaavaa. Ata tU mhNatosa kI samaaja kayaVa poxaa Qaaima-k baMQanaaMnaa GaabartÜÊ malaa vaaTto hI kayado vyavasqaocaI caUk Aaho. kayaVanao gaunhogaaraMnaa Aaplyaa gaun(acaI iktI kDk iXaxaa Aaho ho maaiht Asaola gaun(aMcao p`maaNa hLu hLu kmaI hÜ] Xakto. AaiNa ‘KoD XaMgaLapUr’ cao tU jao example idlao AahosaÊ to tr AMQaEaQdocao mauit-maMt ]dahrNa Aaho² A<aa pya-Mt caÜrI JaalaI naahI mhNaUna kQaIca hÜNaar naahI Asao maanaUna Garalaa daro na laavaNaaro to naagairk hI maUK- caÊ Qamaa-MQa ca ² %yaamauLo Amauk eka Qamaa-nao maaNasaalaa iXast laagato ho ivaQaana Aijabaat pTNyaa saarKo naahI ² Maitreyee Friday, September 24, 2004 - 3:39 pm:      vaaÊ sahI caalalaya ... AaiNa to dÜna navao vaIr kuzyat Æ na laZtaca pLalao ka Madhurag Friday, September 24, 2004 - 3:51 pm:      gaNaoXaÜ%sava ha ihndu Qamaa-t Aaho ho tr tumhalaa maanya Asaayalaa hrkt nasaavaI naahI kaÆ pNa jar Qama-ca nasata tr gaNaoXaÜ%sava kÜzUna Aalaa Asata AaiNa gaNaoXaÜ%sava nasata tr AapNa ha vaad trI ksaa Gaatlaa Asata naahI kaÆ jokes apart Aqaa-t Qamaa-MQa AsaNao caUkca Aaho pNa mhNaUna Qama-ca naYT krNao ho hI barÜbar naahIyao. Qama- is a decipline Ê Aata hI Qamaa-caI iXast kÜNaI ikit p`maNaat laavaUna GyaayacaI ha jyaacaa %yaacaa p`XNa Aaho. j,yaanaa Qama- maanaayacaa naahI %yaMnaI tÜ maanaU nayao pNa mhNaUna Qama- AsaUca nayao ho mhNaNao caUk Aaho. DJ tu mhNatosa kI kayaVanao kDk iXaXaa kolaI kI gaunho kmaI hÜtIla pNa Aata %ya QanaMjaya caTjaI-laa balaa%kar AaiNa KUna ya gaun(asaazI ÔaXaI JaalaI pNa %yaamauLo samaajaatlao (a gaun(aMcao p`maaNa kmaI Jaalao kaÆ toMvha kayaVanao sagaLo gaunho kmaI hÜtIlaca Asao naahIÊ kahI izkaNaI Qamaa-cao baMQana yaavaoca laagato. Yog Friday, September 24, 2004 - 4:00 pm:      vaa² Aata jara ha vaad mau_osaUd rMgalaaya.. saMyaÜjakÊ ekMdrIt sava- KDajaMgaI BB varIla vaad ivavaad caaMgalao rMgalao Aahot. pNa yaat eKada saU~ saMcaalak ikvvaa inadana XaovaTcyaa idvaXaI summary maaMDNaara Asaola tr AiQak ]pyau> hܚla va cacaa- sausaU~ hܚla. kÜNa ijaMklao va hrlao poxaa kuNaacao vaa kuzlyaa jaÜDIcao kuzlao points strong/weak zrlao AXaI ek saimaxaa XaovaTI krta yaošla kaÆ hI suggestion ]pyau> vaaTt Asaola tr tXaI saimaxaa ilahINyaasa kahI madt krayalaa maI tyaar Aaho. ikvvaa p`<yaok BB saazI ek saimaxak naomata yaošla kaÆ yaacaa ja$r ivacaar kravaa. AaBaar. Rachana_barve Friday, September 24, 2004 - 5:35 pm:      Aata Qama- mhNajao na@kI kaya (a mauL p`YNaacao ]<ar XaÜQaayalaa hvao. ihMdu Qama- puratna Aaho. iTLkaMnaI saava-janaIk gaNaoXau%sava sauÉ kolyaacyaa iktItrI AaQaIpasaUna. Aata EawaÊ ha gaNaoXa ]%sava %yaa vaoLocyaa samaajaacyaa garjaonausaar sauÉ kolaa gaolaa. %yaaplaIkDcaI karNao vaogaLI hÜtI. kuzohI Qamaa-t ilaihlao nasaavao kI gaNaoXa ]%sava 10 idvasa Asaa Asaa sauÉ kravaa. maaJyaakDo Qamaa-cao guide ikMvaa pustk naahI. igata kdaicat AapNa mhNaU XaktÜ kI Qama-ga`Mqa Aaho. pNa tohI puNa-pNao barÜbar naahI. manausma`utI doiKla AapNa follow krtÜ. Qama- mauLat klpnaa AalaI kuzUna ho XaÜQaNao garjaocao Aaho. laÜkaMvarIla A%yaacaar ho mauL karNa. laÜkaMnaa kahItrI follow krNyaacaI ka garja Baasato kLt naahI. igataÊ kuraNaÊ baayabala maQalao caaMgalao ivacaar follow krNyaasaazI %yaa %yaa Qamaa-cao baÜT Qa$naca ka caalalao paihjao. jao naivana Qama- p`sqaaipt kolao %yaaMnaI trI A%yaacaar krNao saÜDlao kaÆ ma. pOgaMbaranao tr kuraNaat ilahUna zovalao Aaho kI maI XaovaTcaa. Jaalao AMQa ivaXvaasa zovaNaaáyaanaI to kuraNa kQaI update ca k$ idlao naahI. manausma`utIt jaatI pÜTjaatI vyavasaayaanao zrvalyaa gaolyaa. Aaja iktI laÜk jaatIp`maaNao vyavasaaya krtatÆ pNa AjaUnahI jaatI manaÜBaavaanao follow krtat. AsaM#ya ]dahrNao saapDtIla jaatIÊ Qama- BaodamauLo inarpraQa laÜkaMnaa CLNyaacaI. dovaÊ Qama- [tka sensetive ivaYaya ka Aaho laÜkaMcaa hoca kLt naahI. %yaat sauQaarNaa hÜNao Xa@ya naahI. AXaa vaoLI puNa-pNao %yaaga k$na Taklaolaaca bara. pNa kÜNa saaMgaÜ Qama- na maanaNaaáyaa laÜkaMcaahI ek Qama- tyaar hܚla Deepanjali Friday, September 24, 2004 - 5:40 pm:      maQaura ² tU kaZlaolyaa points naa one to one ]<ar ² 1´ gaNaoXa ]%sava ihMdU Qamaa-t Aaho Asao tU mhNatosa pNa mauLat iTLkaMnaI ihMdU Qamaa-cao palana kra AaiNa gaNaoXa ]%sava saajara kra‘Ê Asaa saMdoXa naahI idlaa. gaNaoXa ]%savaacaa hotUca hÜta mauLat savaa-MnaI ek~ yaoNyaacaaÊ saamaijak ekjauTIcaa ² tÜ savaa-M saazI hÜtaÊ ’ihMdU‘ Qamaa- var %yaat kuzohI jaÜr idlaa navhta ² 2´Ata Aaja tuJaI navaI definition AalaIʒ Qama- is descipline . maagacyaa post maQao tr tU Qamaa-caa qaoT Aa%myaaXaI saMbaMQa jaÜDUna maÜkLI JaalaI hÜtIsa. 3´ Qama- mauLa pasaUna naYT krNyaacao karNa maaJyaa maagacyaa post maQao maI ilaihlao AahoÊ trI prt saaMgatoÊ ‘samajaalaa laagalaolaI hI Qamaa-M mauLo lagalaolaI jaunaaT ikD hI mauLa pasaUna kaplyaa iXavaaya %yaacaa [laaja hÜNaar naahI²’ 4´Ata qaÜDa out of topic jaaNaara mau_a ² malaa vaaTto kayaVanao %yaa QanaMjaya laa faXaIcaI iXaxaa [tko idvasa idlaI naahI Ê maUKa- saarKo to p`krNa [tko idvasa taNalao mhNaUna Asao gaunho vaaZlao ²‘ QanaMjaya saar#yaa Anaok gaunhogaaraMnaa on the spot zar maarNyaa saarKa badla kayaVathI hÜNaI jaÉrIcaoca Aaho. kayada hI badlaayalaa hvaaÊ satt update kolaa jaavaa ² AaiNa malaa saaMga Qamaa-nao tumhI mhNata tXaI iXast laagat AsatI tr sava- Qamaa-t hI gaOr maanalaolyaa balaa%kara saarKI Ì%yao krtanaa ka naahI Gaabart kÜNaI so called Qaaima-k t%vaaMnaa Æ mhNaUna ca Qama- = descipline hI tuJaI navaI definition hI AgadIca caUk Aaho ² Limbutimbu Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 4:07 am:      Qama- samaUL naYT vhavaa² vaahvaa ro vaa² klpnaa caangalaI Aaho pNa AXa@yap`aya AaiNa AnaOsagaI-k Aaho² Kro tr mauLat Qama-ivarÜQaI iknvaa Qama- nakÜ Asao mhNaNaarI manao tyaar vhayacaI var ]llaoiKlaolaI barIcaXaI karNao baiGatlaI tr Asao laxaat yaoto kIÊ caalau vat-maana kaLat vaa naijakcyaa BautkaLat JaalaolaI hÜt AsalaolaI QaamaI-k yauQao dngalaI %yaatIla p`aNahanaI iva<ahanaI yaa baabaInmauLo nakÜ tÜ Qama- AXaI kuNaa naajauk manaacyaa vya>IncaI Avasqaa JaalaI tr to samajauna Gyaavayaasa hvao² pNa navara baayakÜt BaanDNao hÜtatÊ laaKÜ jaÜDPyaatuna kQaI kQaI baayakÜlaa jaaLuna vaa maaÉNa Taklyaacyaa baatmyaa vat-maanap~atuna yaotat mhNauna nakÜ to navara baayakÜcao naatoÊ nakÜ tI kuTumbapwtI Asao mhNaNao jaovhDo hasyaaspd Aaho tsaoca nakÜ tÜ Qama- ho mhNaNao doiKla hasyaaspd Aaho² trIhIÊ mauLat Qamaa-Qamaa-t yauwo ka sauÉ JaalaI yaavar ivacaar kolyaa KorIja trNaÜpaya naahI.² kaya hÜÆ yauwo kovaL Qamaa-QaarItca hÜtat kaÆ ekaca Qamaa-tIla laÜkanaI kolaolaI pihlao AaiNa dusaro mahayauw ivasarlaat kaÆ yaacaaca Aqa-Ê yauwalaa karNa Qama- nasaunaÊ yauwippasau laÜkancaI dusaáyaanvar AiQakar sqaaipt krNyaacaI ek ÌtI Asato² tI ka Asato ha puNa-tÁ vaogaLa ivaYaya Aaho² trIhIÊ saw\yaacyaa BaartatIla ihndu Qama- jaagaRtIcaa Qasaka Gaovauna to tsao ka sao kuNaI ivacaarola tr %yaasa ikmaana ihndu Qamaa-purto ]<ar Vayacao tr naijakcyaa dÜna ADIca hjaar vaYaa-ncyaa [ithasaat ihndu kQaIhI kuNaavarhI QaamaI-k AaËmaNa krIt gaolao naahItÊ ]laT %yaanjavar hÜt Asalaolyaa AaËmaNaancaa bacaavaa%mak p`tIkar krIt rahIlao² pNa yaasa yauwasa Qama- ksaa kaya jabaabadar bauvaaÆ AhÜ saaQaI yaa gallaItlaI ku~I %yaa gallaItlyaa ku%áyaalaa iXarkava kÉ dot naahItÊ tÜ %yaancaa naOsaiga-k jagaNyaacaaÊ Aist%vaacyaa laZašcaa Qama- Asatܲ AaiNa hÜÊ tI ek Descipline ca Asato. tXaI tI sava-ca p`aNyaat phavayaasa imaLto² jar Anya sava- p`aNaImaa~at jagaNyaacyaa QaDpDIcaIÊ iTkuna rhaNyaacyaa p`ya%naancaIÊ AaiNa vanXavaRwIcaI ek inayamabawtaÊ p`NaalaI Asato tr tXaI tI maanavaat ka Asau nayaoÆ Aqaa-tÊ Asato AaiNa %yaacao AiQak Xaas~Xauw inayamabaw saamaajaIk vaagaNyaasa purk Asao jao Xaas~ to mhNajao %yaa %yaa BauBaagaatIla janasamauhacaa Qama-² tÜ A%yaavaXyak Aaho² rhdarIcyaa rs%yaavaÉna jaatanaa jasao rhdarIcao inayama paLNao ha ek Qama- tsaoca Anna vas~ inavaara yaa garjaa purvauna GaoNyaacao inayamaÊ samaajaat vaavarNyaacao inayamaÊ ho sagaLoca Qama-ca hÜt² AaiNa hܲ prmaoXvar ibaXvar Asao kahI p`aPt krNyaacaI [cCa QarIt Asaala tr %yaasa doKIla ihndu Qamaa- purto baÜlaayacao tr ivaivaQa maaga-Ê inayamaÊ pwtIWaro p`aPt krta yaoto yaovhDoca naahI tr %yaa hLdI kunkvaanaI barbaTlaolyaa dovamaUit-ncaa itrskar vaaTt Asaola tr sarL vanaat tpasa jaavauna ekantat QyaanaQaarNaa krNyaacaI saÜya doiKla Aahoca pNa Qama-Ê jagaNyaacaI ek pwtÊ %yaacao inatIinayama nakÜtca Asao mhNatat tovha malaa ihPpI sansaÌtIcaI AazvaNa hÜto² caalau rcanaa maÜDuna kaZuna %yaanaI kahI ek navaIna sqaaiplaoÊ Aqaa-tca jao staiplao to ek p`karo punha ihiPpncao inayamaca naahIt kaÆ %yaa inayamaanp`maaNao vaagaNao ha ihiPpncaa Qama-ca navho kayaÆ tovha jao Qama- nakÜca Asao mhNatatÊ hrkt naahIÊ f> %yaanaI ho saangaavao kI kÜNa%yaa navaIna inayamaanaaQaaro to jagaNaar AahotÊ AapNa %yaasa naivana naava dovauÊ tÜca puZo %yaancaa Qama- banaola Ê ho i~kalaabaaiQat sa%ya AahoÊ TaLu mhNalao trI TaLta yaoNaar naahI Sanyojak Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 6:08 am:      yaÜga.. Qama- AaiNa ÔaXaI (a dÜnahI ivaYayaaMvar caalalaolyaa vaadivavaadavar AapNa saimaxaa ilahu Xakt Asalyaasa Ôarca ]<ama. Limbutimbu Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 9:02 am:      yaÜgaÊ jaÉr ilahI jao mau_o Aalao naahItÊ iknvaa AiQak jaÜrdarpNao yaavayaasa hvao hÜto tohI ilahI mhNajao puZcyaavaoLI sauQaarNaa krta yaošla Asaoca kÜNaI caarÜL\yaavar pNa ilaha ro iPlaja² Limbutimbu Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 9:40 am:      maaNasaalaa Qama- hvaa kI naahIÊ kovaL yaacaa AaiNa yaacaaca ivacaar krtaÊ Aqaa-tcaÊ kÜNa%yaahI Qamaa-ncaI tulanaa na krta vaa %yaa %yaa Qamaa-ntga-t baáyaa vaašT baabaInvar TIka krNyaat Xa>I vaayaa na GaalaivataÊ Qama- hvaa kI nakÜ ho zrivaNyaacao dRYTInao maI varIla pÜsT kolao² Aqaa-tcaÊ hvaa kI nakÜ ho zrivaNyaasa mauLat Qama- mhNajao kaya yaacaa inarpoxa AaiNa inarixarivavaokanao ivacaar vhayalaa hvaa² yaabaabatIt kovaL AQyaa%ma iknvaa yaÜga iknvaa man~ tn~Ê iknvaa vaogavaogaL\yaa vaoLI janmaapasauna maR%yaupya-nt AaiNa maR%yaunantr [trannaI kravayaacyaa Ì<yaancaI jan~I kaQaNao malaa naahI vaaTt kI Apoixat Asaavao karNa Qamaa- Qamaa-tÊ pnqaat yaa irtI badlat jaaNaarhotÊ %yaatlyaa kahI caangalyaa tr kahI Takavau hasyaaspd Asalyaacao kuNaakuNaalaa jaaNavaNaar Aaho² jao jaaNavaNaar Aaho to %yaa %yaa jaaNavaNyaacyaa kaLaXaI saapoxa AsaNaar Aaho² tovha Qama- kaya Asaavaa yaa poxaa jaÜ kahI jasaa kahI jaunaa vaa navaa AsaolaÊ tÜ Qama- maaNasaasa Asaavaa kI nasaavaaÊ yaatIla Qama- maaNasaasa Asaavaa yaa baajaunao baÜlaNyaasa maaJaI naomaNauk JaalaI Aaho² jao kahI Qama- sqaapna Jaalao iknvaa AtIp`aicana ihndu Qamaa-ntga-t jyaa kahI baabaI AalyaaÊ %yaancaI %yaa %yaavaoLcyaa maanavaasa mauLat garjaca ka pDlaI yaacao ]<ar XaÜQalyaasa Qamaa-ica AavaXyakta Aaho kI naahI ho samajauna GaoNyaasa madt hܚla. Daiva-nacyaa isawantap`maaNao jaayacao Jaalyaasa ranaTI AvasqaotIla maanavaasaÊ p`qama p`aQaanya Anna AaiNa saurixattocyaa dRYTInao inavaara ho hÜto. lajjaaBaava ]%pnna Jaalyaavar vas~acaI garja Baasau laagalaI. yaatuna puZo hLu hLu p`gatI hÜta hÜtaÊ ragaÊ WoYaÊ maÜhÊ ma%sar AaiNa mau#ya mhNajao Anaaimak iBa%yaa yaancao prINaama jaaNavaavayaasa laagalyaavar %yaavar maat krNyaakrta jagaatIla %yaa %yaa Baup`doXaatIla maanavaannaI Aapaplyaa prInao jagaNyaacao jao kahI ek inatI inayama zrvalao to to inatIinayama %yaat AnaokivaQa sauQaarNaaÊ badla hÜt jaavauna %yaacao Qamaa-t Épantr Jaalao² malaa ho hI Amaanya kravayaacaI garja vaaTt naahI kI ksalyaa naa ksalyaa Anaaimak iBa%yaanpÜTI inarinaraLI dOvato va %yaancyaa ]pasanaa pwtIsa Qaaima-k Ép Aalao² %yaatIla kahI vaašT baabaI hÜ%yaa tr kahIncao ]pd`vamaUlya XaUnya hÜto² AaQaunaIk jagaat AaQauinak sauKdaš ijavana jagatanaa maaNasaasa yaa AXaa Asan#ya Qaaima-k baabaI kalabaa( Takavau vaaTNao AaiNa Qama-ca nakÜ Asao vaaTNao svaaBaaivak Aaho² pNaÊ tr ha pNaca maÜza Aaho karNa ek p`Ena maanavaanao saÜDvalaa Asao hÜt naahI tÜca dusara p`Ena %yaapuZo ]Baa rhatÜ AaNaI hI maalaIka AiXaca AKnD na sampNaarI caalauca rhatoÊ caalauca rhaNaar. jaÜvar p`EnaÊ AaiNa maaNasaacaI svaaBaaivak vaR<aIÊ %yaacao YaDirpu yaavar tÜ ivajaya controll imaLvau Xakt naahI iknvaa %yaajapasauna svatÁcaI saÜDvaNauk kÉna Gaovau Xakt naahI tÜvar %yaasa Qamaa-cyaa kubaDIcaa AaQaar Gyaavaaca laagaNaar² %yaacabarÜbarÊ samast maanavaa puZo vaa %yaa %yaa janasamauhapuZo Asan#ya inaÉ<arIt p`EnaÊ ADcaNaI ]Byaa rhatatÊ tovha (a ADcaiNancaa kta-krivata kÜNa ho yaacaa XaÜQa GaoNyaacaI AKnD prmpra jagaatIla inarinaraL\yaa Qamaa-naI jaÜpasalaI Aaho² %yaa k%yaa- kriva%yaacyaa XaÜQaa ip`%yyaqa- doiKla maanavaasa Qama- AavaXyakca Aaho² Shraddhak Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 12:20 pm:      f> %yaanaI ho saangaavao kI kÜNa%yaa navaIna inayamaanaaQaaro to jagaNaar AahotÊ AapNa %yaasa naivana naava dovauÊ tÜca puZo %yaancaa Qama- banaola exactly AaiNa naava idlao naahI trI caalaola. karNa jar maaNasaalaa jagaNyaacao yaÜgya inayama saaMgaNaara tÜ Qama- tr tÜ %yaa vya>IMcaa Qama-ca hܚla. igataÊ kuraNaÊ baayabala maQalao caaMgalao ivacaar follow krNyaasaazI %yaa %yaa Qamaa-cao baÜT Qa$naca ka caalalao paihjao. AsaM kÜNaI mhTlaMyaÆ ]dahrNaca Vayacao Jaalao tr maaJaI ek maO~INa iK,Xcana Aaho AaiNa itcaa navara ihMdU. itcaI maulagaI caca- maQaohI jaatoÊ maMidrathI jaato. Ainala AvacaTaMnaI %yaaMcyaa maulaIMba_la ilaihlaMya kI %yaa %yaaMcyaa maOi~NaIMcyaa barÜbarInao rÜjaa paLayacyaaÊ %yaaMcyaakDo kama krNaayaa- baaškDo iK,samasa saazI jaayacyaa. %yaaMnaa kQaI kÜNaI ATkava kolaa naahI ho sava- krayalaa. %yaamauLo kuzlyaahI 'religion' maQalyaa caaMgalyaa gaÜYTI follow krayalaa %yaa religion cao AsaNao AavaXyak Aaho ho malaa pTt naahI. laÜkaMnaa kahItrI follow krNyaacaI ka garja Baasato kLt naahI. maI dÜna vaoLa idlaolao vaahtukIcyaa inayamaaMcao ]dahrNa punha doto. laÜkaMnaa ikmaana evaZI klpnaa Asato kI jar vaahtukIcao inayama paLlao naahIt tr inamaa-Na hÜNaayaa- chaos nao jaast ~asa hÜNaar Aaho. mhNaUna inayama follow krayacaI garja Baasato. jagaat manaasaarKM vaagayacaI puNa- permission Asatanaa laÜk mana : XaaMtIsaazI QyaanaakDo ka vaLt AahotÆ Aata Qyaana ho kuzlyaahI religion XaI related naahIyao. to Ô> Aaplyaalaa mana XaaMt krNyaasaazI paLayacao kahI inayama saaMgato. AaiNa yaÜgya jagaNyaaXaI related inayama saaMgato mhNajao maaJyaa definition nausaar to Qamaa-t include hÜto. ‘samajaalaa laagalaolaI hI Qamaa-M mauLo lagalaolaI jaunaaT ikD hI mauLa pasaUna kaplyaa iXavaaya %yaacaa [laaja hÜNaar naahI²’ maga yaalaa pyaa-ya mhNaUna AapNa kuzlaohI inayama nasalaolaa samaaja Apoixat AahÜt kaÆ karNa inayama hvaot mhNaNao mhNajao prt maaJyaa definition nausaar Qama- hvaa mhNaNao. sagaLI yauwo Qamaa-saazI hÜtat ho malaahI pTt naahI. mauLat yauwaMcyaa pazImaagao religion ho karNa AsaU XaktoÊ Qama- kQaIca naahI AaiNa ekaca religion cao laÜk AsaUnahI ³]da. paikstanamaQlao maÜhajaIr laÜk´ %yaaMcyaat yauwo hÜtatca. AaiNa tÜ Qamaa-cyaa jaunaaT kayaVacaa point ... as I said, that rule pertains to her religion not dharma .... Aata tÜhI ek inayama Jaalaa pNa %yaamauLo kuNaavar trI Anyaaya hÜtÜya mhNaUna tÜ Qamaa-t include hÜ} Xakt naahI. Aata %yaacyaa AnauYaMgaanao qaÜDM ivaYayaaMtr. jar tI svat : caa decision Gao} [icCt Asaola tr itnao tÜ Gyaavaa and she should be ready for the consequences. She could fight with those people if they oppose to her decision. jao laÜk AjaUnahI tÜ rule maanatat to dudO-vaanao bahusaM#ya Aahot mhNaUna itlaa kdaicat itcyaa gaavaI sauKanao rahta yaoNaar naahI. same thing happened in "Rifat" case as well. She left her country with the one she loved and now staying in another country. Yog Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 5:38 pm:      saMyaÜjakÊ saUcanaocaa ivacaar kolyaaba_la Qanyavaad. AXaI saimaxaa XaovaTcyaa idvaXaI ikvvaa kQaI post kravaI laagaolaÆ is there any deadline for everyone to post their "last post"? %yaanaMtrca ³pNa spQao-cao ivajaoto GaÜiYat krNyaa AaQaI Æ´saimaxaa ilahINao saÜpo hܚla. tumacao ]tr Aalao kIÊ Qama- va ÔaXaIcaI iXaxaa yaavarIla saimaxaa maI post krInaca. Deepanjali Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 5:12 am:      sava- p`qamaÊ LT cyaa post laa kahI mau_\yaa nausaar ]<aro. 1´‘ Qama- nasaavaa’ ho maaJao AaiNa RB cao mat pahUna AapNa navara baayakÜcaI BaaMDNaoÊ jaaLpÜL nakÜ mhNaUna ‘nakÜ tI kuTuMbapQdtI’ cao ]dahrNa idlao AaiNa to tumhalaa hsyaaspd vaaTlao. pNa malaa saaMgaaÊ navara baayakÜ ikMvaa [tr kuTuMbaatIla vya>IMXaI vaadaMnaa Qaaima-k dMgalaI saarKo ihMsak vaLNa itt@yaa frequently yao} laagalao tr ‘nakÜ to navara baayakÜcao naato ikMvaa kuTuM pQdtI’Ê Asao vaaTNyaat kahI gaOr naahI. qaÜDo similar ]darrNa ca Gyaayacao Jaalao tr paXcaa%ya doXaaM maQao navara baayakÜ kÜNaalaaca ekmaokaMXaI long term committment ikMvaa kuzlyaa p`karcao baMQana jaast kaL inaBaavata yaot ca naahIt mhNaUna itqao 'live in' relatioship caI pQdt AalaIcaÊ tsaoca jaaLpÜLI saarKo p`kar jar rÜja ca GaDayalaa laagalao tr ‘nakÜ tI kuTuMba pQdtI’ mhNaNao hsyaaspd vaaTNaar naahI ² 2´ tumhI mhNata tsao yauQdo kovaL Qamaa- mauLo hÜt naahItÊ Anaok karNaaMnaI hÜtat. pNa mauLat Qama-Ê %yaatlyaa AsaM#ya jaatIÊ pÜTjaatI AaiNa %yaamauLo maaNasaa maaNasaat hÜNaarI ivaBaagaNaIÊ gaTbaajaIÊ jaatIya vaad yaa gaÜYTI f> yauQd ca naahI pNa baáyaaca ihMsak Ì%yaaMnaa karNaIBaUt zrtat. 3´ Aata tumhI idlaolao ihMdU Qamaa-cao example ² Kro tr [qao kuzlyaa eka Qamaa- ba_la baÜlaNao cacao-t basat naahI pNa tumhI evaZo strong ]dahrNa idlao Aaho tr ilaihlyaa vaacaUna rhavat naahI² tumhI gaolyaa ADIca hjaar vaYaa-Mcaa [ithasa paihlaaÊ pNa gaolyaa kahI vaYaa-t ihMdUMnaI kaya kaya kolao to tumhI eoklao ikMvaa vaacalao naahI ka Æ baabarI maiXadIvar hllyaa saarKI ihMsak Ì%yaoÊAnaok jaatIya dMgalaIM maQao ihMdU hI hÜtocaÊikMvaa ihMdUMnaIca %yaat initiative Gaotlaa ho Asa%ya Aaho kaÆ naqaurama gaÜDsaonaI gaaMQaI h%yaa kolaI mhNaUna tmaama ba`mhNaaMcaI Garo jaaLNaaro kÜNa hÜto Æ f> ihMdU Qamaa-tlyaa ca jaatIÊ pÜTjaatI Aahot %yaathI iktI dMgalaI Jaalyaa A<aa pya-Mt² ‘BaaMDrkr institute cyaa %yaa ’paXavaI‘ naasaQausaat to AitXaya Qamaa-MQa maaqaofIÉ kÜNa hÜto Æ eKaVa itsaáyaa vya>Icyaa saUD mhNaUna Anaok piva~ pustkaMcaI panao faDNao Ê jaaLNao hI Ì%yao maaNasaalaa XaÜBaoXaI trI hÜtI kaÆ tumhI ku~\yaaMcao example idlao Aaho to Xabd\Xa : [qao vaaprta yao[la . jyaaMnaa ’sagaL\yaa‘ gaÜYTI rs%yaavar krayacaI savaya AsatoÊ inaYkarNa BaUMkNyaat %yaaMnaa kahI gaOr vaaTt naahIÊ AapNa kaya AÜrbaaDUna Takt AahÜt to samajat naahI Asaoca to laÜk hÜto² AsaÜÊ eka Qamaa- purto baÜlaNao maaJaa hotU naahIÊ kuzlaaca Qama- nasaavaa ho maaJao mat. 4´ punha ekda tumhIÊ EaQdaÊ maQaura ho ’inayama Ê ‘kt-vya ’AaiNa Qama- yaa gaÜYTIM maQao KUp ca confused Aahat. rs%yaanao jaatanaa rhdarIcao inayama paLNao ha Qama- Æ AhÜÊ tÜ tr ek common sense ikMvaa svat : cyaa jaIvaacaI BaItI vaaTto mhNaUna svat : caI GaotlaolaI kaLjaI ² Ata malaa saaMgaaÊ tumhalaa kÜNaI ivacaarlao ‘ tumacaa Qama- kayaÆ’Ê tr tumhI ]<ar ‘ihMdU’ dota kI Ê ‘ saQyaa maaJaa Qama- maayabaÜlaI var ilaihNao’ naMtr rhdarIcaa inayama paLNao Ê paca imainaTaM naMtrcaa Qama- parking naIT krNaoÊ %yaa naMtrcaa Qama- building maQao front gate nao ca jaaNao ‘Ê Asao ]<ar dota ÆÆ tumhI jyaa Qamaa-Mcyaa vyaa#yaa krta %yaa kovaL pustkI AahotÊ p`%yaxaat kÜNaala Qama- ivacaarlaa kI ihMdUÊ mauslaImaÊ XaIK etc.etc.. AXaIca ]<aro yaotat kI naahI Æ ³jasao tumhI hI tumacyaa post maQao AXaa baD\yaa baD\yaa vyaa#yaa krtanaa ’ihMdU‘ Qamaa-cao saarKo saarKo example idlaotca naa out of topic jaa}na ²´ AsaÜÊ tumhI to prmaoXvar p`aPtIÊ Qyaana AXaI examples idlaI Aahot tI kovaL ’ihMdU Qamaa-var‘ vaad Asaola tr discuss krNao yaÜgya zrolaÊ [qao ilaihlao tr tumacyaa post laa reply krtanaa malaahI out of topic jaavao laagaola ² 5´ tumhI ihiPpMcao example idlao kI %yaaMnaa inaba-MQa nakÜt mhNaUna %yaaMnaI svat : cao navaIna inayama kolao ² pNa maI jaovha ’Qama- nakÜ‘Ê f> ’savaa-Mnaa samaana kayada hvaa‘ Asao mhNatoya tovha kuzlyaa navaIna inayamaaM ivaYayaI baÜlat nasaUna existing kayaVa cyaa klamaaM baabat baÜlat Aaho ² Aqaa-t saQyaacyaa kayaVacyaa klamaaM maQaohI kccao duvao AahotcaÊkayaVat kaya kaya badla kolao paihjaotÊ kuzo kayada jaast strict paihjaoÊ kuzo saÝmya paihjao ho [qao discuss kolao tr punha ekda out of topic zrola pNa malaa [tkoca mhNaayacao Aaho kI yaa kayaVatIla klamao ’savaa-M saazI saarKI AsaavaIt‘Ê jyaa mauLo maaNasaa maaNasaatlaI fUT pDNao AaiNa %yaamauLo hÜNaarI BaaMDNao vaad hLu hLu kmaI hÜtIla.

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