gaPpaca caalalyaa Aahot mhNaUna saaMgatÜya... ga`osa ihslaÜp college maQyao iXakvat Asat.... maaJaa batch laa (SSC1994) %yaaMcaa ek QaDa hÜta .... icamaNyaa ...
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naagapurcaaca kÜNaI Asaola trÊ Qarmapozocyaa BaajaIbaajaarat %yaaMnaa baGata yao[la.... BaoT maa~ kovaL
naiXaba
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icamaNyaa ha paz %yaaMcyaa caca-baola yaa lailat saMga`hatIla Aaho
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robinhood, ga`osacyaa kivatavar cacaa- krayalaa kÜNa AMga kaZUna GaotÜ AahoÆ
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maIca AMga kaZUna GaotÜ Aaho
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Hallo frds , Dagdh mulinche warati mi kharech ek lekh lihit ahe ! Ya kavitemadhye Grace yanchi kavi mhanun asaleli maximum strenghth and maximum weakness donhi disato . Grace yanchi shabd-kala Pu SHi regyansarakhich -- titakich samruddha , navin-junyacha sandha chapalakha jodanaree . pan regyanchya kavitetala thospana grace yachya kavitet kami vela disato . Grace yancha bhav pradarshan mhanaje GA Kulkarni kavitet lihit asawa itka gahan-gooDh pan GA yanchya kathet adhalanare bhavanche vyamishrapana kwachitach disato ! Grace he kharokhar sayamak . chandobaddha li hinyat great mhanawet ase ahet .Mi magachya welela jara passionni he mhanala hota But I really love his sense of the very internal rhythm which a poem should essentially carry . Maza akshep ahe to ha : barech vela Grace shabdamage , chandamage , yamakamage jatana disatat - ani mag bhav kuthetari mage padalyasarakha watato ( Rajputra ani Darling ha sukhad apawad ) . arthat yatahi kahi serious nahi -- mala serious he watata hi atishay changale wachak dekhil tya shabd-mohinichya jalyat adakatat ( EG : Dadgh mulinche .... ya kavitet kiti sundar oli ahet - path karavyat asha ! FATAKA vrutta agadi yogy yatibhangasaha ! ) ani tya basis war fans hotat . mala watata ki 3 types distata: 1) Shabd-kala pradhanyanne ani bhav duyyam -- Eg. Govindagraj , yashwant , Karandikar 2) Shabd-kala duyyam , bhav pramukh -- Eg. Arun Kolatkar , neeraja , anuradha potdar 3) Shabd-kala ani bhav donhi balanced -- Eg . Indira sant , Aruna dhere , , Kusumagraj Grace ya tinhi types madhe adhe-madhe vastavya karat rahtat evadhech maze mhanane ahe ! Ani fans honyatadekhil kahi gair nahi pan aapalya heroche weak points mahit asalele bare ! Ityalam !
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Ajun ek : Lalit lekh lihinare Manik Godghate he gracewar mat karatat ase mala rahun rahun watate . apale mat ?
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Rar
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| Monday, May 20, 2002 - 6:52 pm: |
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barech diwas mi "grace" baddal ithe vachat hote... grace vachtana jasa aand milto..tasach aanand grace baddal vachtana hot aase.. tyamule kadhi lihavese vatle nahi.. kalach "sajanvela" aaikale...vichar chalu aahe... Grace aaikatana vatte..pratyek "kavita" hi kontyatari "anubhavavar" based aahe..ani mhanunach grace samjun ghyyala tyanche "jeevan" samjayla have...
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Dr - tuJaa tÜ laoK pUNa- kQaI hÜNaar AahoÆ malaa vaacaayalaa AavaDola. [qao pÜYT krNaar Aahosa kaÆ jara %varIt
krÊ tU Ôar qaÜpvaUna zovatÜsa ro² Anyway ... tuJao Aa<aacao posting sauroK² maaJyaa mato Grace saahoba ho XabdaMkDo jaast laxa dotat AaiNa %yaaMcaa Baava XabdtUlanaonao kmaI pDtÜ. pNa to jao kahI Xabd
inavaDtat to vaacaayalaa Ap`tIma vaaTtat. %yaaMcao lailat laoK maI kQaIca vaacalao naahIt AaiNa malaa
to maaihtIpNa naahI. %yaaMcaI naavao jar za]k AsatIla tr saaMgatÜsa kaÆ maI doXaatUna maagavaayacaa p`ya%na
krona. AsaÜ. kivatot Baava mah%vaacaa kI Xad\baaMd\vaaro yaoNaarI laya mah%vaacaI ho vaacakavar AvalaMbaUna
Asato. tUlaa Baava jaast AavaDtÜ Asao vaaTto. (a ]laT ra^baInadaMnaa laya AavaDto Asao vaaTto. pNa maaJyaa
vaacanaatIla kahI kivata AXyaahI Aahot kI %yaa BaavaspXa- AsatanaahI vaacatanaa ek laoK vaacatÜ Aaho Asao
vaaTto. (a ]laT KaMDokraMcao yayaatI vaacatanaa ek maÜzo kavya vaacatÜ Aaho Asao jaaNavato. %yaaMcyaa
kadMbarItlaa p`%yaok ]tara ek kivataca vaaTto² Rar - Grace vaacanao AaiNa Grace ba_la vaacanao malaahI AavaDto. tU jasao mhNatÜsa kI %yaaMcao jaIvana samajavaUna Gyaayalaa hvao tr tUlaa
kahI maaihtI Asaola tr AamhalaahI saaMga² malaa %yaaMcyaa ivaYayaI ÔarXao maaihtI naahI. pNa kivata vaacatanaa
kivacyaa personal life ba_la maaihtI Asaayalaa hvaI ha ivacaar kahI yaÜgya naahI. %yaaMcaI p`tIBaaXa>I sapÙ Asaola tr to barÜbar
)dyaat ]trtIla²
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Beti
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| Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 3:50 am: |
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Ashu, bakee Theek paN karandikar he windA asateel tar mAzA tyanchyA pahilyA wargAt sAmAweshAlA prakhar wirodh Ahe. marAtThee kaweenpaikee tech tar ase Ahet ki sashakt bhAwarth he jyAnchyA kawiteche balsthAn Ahe... ithe mAyboleewar ghetA, kaNikA, itakech kAy tyAnchee bAl geete ghe... superb arthwhee kawitA Ahe tyAnchee... its sad ki itakya yugprawartak wichArAnA dnyAn peeTh miLoo naye.... he ithe kewaL reaction mhaNoon lihile Ahe. GracechyA bbchee jAgA aDawate ase wATAlyAs, please uDawoon TAkA admin!
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Ashutosh, mala serious he watata hi atishay changale wachak dekhil tya shabd-mohinichya jalyat adakatat>>> ho jara spYT kr. kÜNatIhI idXaa nasalaolao ho ek baojabaabadar vaa@ya Aaho. AsaÜ. mauLat Asao Aaho kI varcaI jaI tulanaa kolaI Aahosa tI ApUNa- Aaho. Anaok AitXaya EaoYz kvaIMcaa %yaat
]llaoKhI naahI. ]dahrNaaqa-Ê baa.saI.maQao-krÊ Baa. ra. taMbaoÊ raAÜya ikiNakrÊ AartI p`BauÊ maMgaoXa
paDgaavakrÊ vasaMt baapTÊXaaMta XaoLkoÊ koXavasaUtÊbaalakvaIÊ naa. QaÜ. mahanaÜr ..AaiNa Anaok.. Ajauna
ilahayacaa kMTaLa Aalaa. yaaMcao tu vagaI-krNa krXaIla ka Æ tU jyaap`karo ivacaar krtÜ Aahosa to izk Aaho
pNa jara jaast database vaapr mhNajao kdicat tuJao svatÁcaoca d`uiYTkÜna badlatIla. kvaIMcao tu kolaosa %yaap`karo maI hI vagaI-krNa krtÜ. baGa pTto ka. 1. Aa%mamagna kvaI ho kvaI svatÁcyaa jagaacao vaNa-na %yaaMcyaa saaih%yaat jaast krtat. svatÁcaI duÁKoÊ
jaaNaIvaaÊ maana Apmaana ho %yaaMnaa p`maaNa Asatat. %yaamauLo saamaajaIk p`Xnaavar %yaaMcao saaih%ya
AitXaya kmaI AaZLto. ga`osa Ê AartI p`BaU ho %yaatlao. 2. kÜNatahI ivaYaya caalaNaaro kvaI yaa kvaIMnaa kÜNatahI ivaYaya caalatÜ. vaOya>Ik sauK duÁKa pasaUna jaagatIk samasyaaMpya-Mt kahIhI.
inasaga- vaNa-na kivata ilaihNaaro %yaatca yaotat. kusaumaaga`jaÊ paDgaavakrÊ ivaMda ho yaatlao. yaat ha barÜbar ikMvaa ha cauk Asao nasato. kvaI Apaplyaa cavaI p`maaNao ilaihtat AaiNa vaacak Aapaplyaa cavaInao vaacatat. ga`osa yaaMcyaa kivata p`amau#yaanao Aa%mamagna Asatat. dusaro Asao kIÊ yaa maaNasaacao vaacana p`caMD
Aaho. mauLat AapNa kivata krtÜ mhNajao kaya krtÜÆ Aaplyaa AnauBavaMcao vaNa-na kahI ]pmaa dovaUna krtÜ.
yaa ]pmaa kuzUna yaotat tr AapNa vaacalaolyaa Ê pihlaolyaa jagaatUna. jaovaQao tumacao vaacana kmaI tovaZo
]pmaaMcao iripToXana jaast hÜto. AaiNa AapNa kaya pahtÜ yaapoxaa to ksao phatÜ yaalaa jaast mah%va Aaho.
%yaamauLo eKadI saMQyaakaL ga`osa nao kXaI pahIlaI Ê ho kÜNa saaMgaNaarÆ Aata ha d`uYTIkÜna ksaa yaotÜ
tr Aaplyaalaa Aalaolyaa AnauBavaatUna. ]da. paya tuTlaa tr kaya hÜto ho tumhI klpU Xakta Ê pNa paya tuTlaolyaa
maaNasaapoxaa jaast caaMgalao saaMgaU Xakta kaÆ ikMvaa paya tuTU XaktÜ ho tumhalaa jar maaihtIca nasaola
tr tÜ laMgaDa maaNaUsa kaya saaMgatÜ ho tumhalaa kaya kLNaarÆ %yaacao duÁK yaa karNaamauLo tumhalaa "dubaÜ-Qa " hÜto ho laxaat Gao. %yaamauLo ga`osacaa risak mhNaUna ivacaar krtanaa %yaaMcao AayauYya laxat GaoNao AitXaya
mah%vaacao Aaho. tumhI saimaxak mhNauna phat Asaala tr tumhalaa sagaLo maaÔ Aaho. karNa kÜNaalaa inavaDayacao
AaiNa kÜNaalaa Takayacao ho XaovaTI risak zrvatÜ.
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yash, what Rar says is absolutely correct. when poet is like Grace or Arati Prabhu, you should know through which conditions they have gone . It helps you to understand the poem at great extent. Because as I told in earlier post , if you do not know what is meant by "eye" you will certainly not be knowing what is "blindness". How will you appreciate the artical on blindness?
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Asami
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| Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 2:37 pm: |
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Dr tumhi mandaleli Grace ani GA hyanchi analogy atishay achuk vatate pan tumchi vargvaari ajibaat patat naahi. Ashish mhanto tyapramane tumhi tumcha sample space farach kami thevlaay tyamule ashi vargvaari karane farse achuk hoou shakat naahi. Windanbabat maze betila purna anumodan aahe. mazya mate bhaav ha atishay saapeksh asa vichaar aahe ani tyamule "amuk kavita atishay bhavdarshi aahe" asha prakarche vidhaan he vaiykitik pratalawarach ubhi rahu shaktaat. e.g. Gracechi aghori vidyevaril khalil kavita baghaa. Chaar Mantrik jamle Gheti aghorichi aan Kod futalya baila Jasa vate deh ghaan Ghaar kosloon meli Uthe gavamaadhe danga Kod futalya baicha Zala rakhelahi nanga Tari doghana jojvi Khinna aghorichi maaya Bai randvi hotana Jashi pasarate kaaya... Hya kavitemadhe beebhtsva bhaav poornapane utarala aahe asa mala vatate. Arthaat hyamagache mukhya karan mhanje Narayan Dharap, Matkari, Shahikant konkar, Rajnakar etc lokanchya asha prakarachi pustake vachun aghori vidyebaddal zaleli mahiti. Shakta panthababat kelela abhyaas pan hyache ek karan aahe. Pan jar ekhadya vyaktine asa likahan kadhi vachalech nasel tar tya kavitebaddal keelas vatanyavachun aankhi tyala kahi vatnaar naahi. Bheebhatsa rasacha ha vijay mhatla tari tyamagacha bhaav na umajalyamule kavitecha swaad ghene asha vyaktila shakya honaar naahi. my 2 cents worth. ....
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Rar
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| Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 6:25 pm: |
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rasikyash kavita "vachtana" kavichya personal life baddal mahiti nasli tari chalte...aapan fakta kavita vachat aasto..shabdancha aaswad ghet aasto.... pun kavita "samjun" ghyychya aastil tar..ani vishesh karun tya personal life shi nigdit aastil tar ...kavita samjun ghyayala hi mahiti aasavi aase maze mhanne aahe ani grace chya babtit..kahina tyanchya kavita mhanje "shabdachal" vatat aastil tar tyache karan kavitemagchi "jeevankahani" mahit naste hech aasave... kay mat aahe tumche?
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Ashish , Classification system written in my post is one of the many systems with which a poem / poet can be classified . What classification has been given by you is right but that doesnt mean that mine stands wrong ! May be somebody would like to put some poet in some other catagoury but that does not alter the criterias for the same EG . Vinda Acc to beti and asami -- should get the seat in third section ( that is balanced ... one ) So , there may lie difference . Well , U have offered a list of poets which I know -- know well - know in depth ! And u can try to put each of them in some catagoury . Offcourse -- there comes a trouble when u see that some poet may be on the borderline of 2 types or some poet has written poems in his early life which can be put in say Type I and then he has written poems later in his life which are superior and hence can be put in section III Finally , there exists possibility -- which I never deny at least when we are talking about arts and aesthetics -- the possibility that the poet / poem CAN NOT be classified AS SUCH !! So , then classification system fails ! I dont mind if classification system offered above in my post fails bCoz even if it fails it provides a very different angle for the reader to look at a poem . The angle may be acute / Obtuse / straight . It may be bad / good -- but it gives a stand , a base to go ahead and interact with a poem and poetry BEJABABDAR WAKYAVISHAYI -- again no misunderstandings please -- the sentence was not so casual as u might feel but the very expalination for the same cant be given here -- in such a short space .
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Asami , I agree with u that a poem reflects the wisdom of poet and one of the most vital element of wisdom is his knowledge !! pan apan jevha asha kavinbaddal bolato ( mhanaje grace etc ) tevha te tyanchya limitations sakat AFAT asalyachach janavata And the very reason is the intensive study which they do , the passion with which they read others literature and so on GOOD POINT STATED !
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RAR , Tuza mudda vegala ani vicharat ghenyasarakha ahe -- Tyachi jivankahani mahita nasalyani ...... kavita durbodh banate etc .... GRACE -- sodwa ho ata tumhich mala -- far doka chalawawa lagnar disatay ata ! : )
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Paragkan
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| Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 7:54 pm: |
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kiva / kvaiya~IMnaa AXaI laobalaM laavaayacaaÊ %yaaMcaI vaga-vaarI krNyaacaa A+ahasa kaÆ
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Doctor Ê ivaXlaoYaNa ksalaM krtaya.... iXaxaa kivata post krNyaacaI hÜtI
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Rar
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| Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 8:20 pm: |
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aare..grace chya kavitanchi aathvan mage padayla nako.. mala mahit nahi hi kavita purvi koni post keli aahe ka nahi...pun grace yanchi hi "prem kavita" saÜnyaacyaa maÜhra gaolao ]kÉna Gar naahI iBaMtInaa AÜlaavaa Bar AÜMjaLI caaMdNao kÉ pacaucaa igalaavaa AaNa ilambaÜiNa saavalyaa naahI AaZ\yaalaa CPpr valacaiNacyaa QaaraMnaa laa} cand`aica Jaalar payaAÜZ\%yaa vaaLuica AaNa tovhacaI TÜplaI kiQa KoLola AaMgaNaI tuJaI maaJaIca saavalaIÆ gaolao }kÉna Gar jaa} Qau@yaat maaGaara kQaI puÉna zovalyaa AaNau saÜnyaacyaa maÜhra
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Rasikyash
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| Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 12:52 am: |
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RAR - kivata vaacatanaaÊ XabdaMcyaa AasvaadapoxaahI jaast AanaMd toMvha hÜtÜ jaoMvha tI kivata pUNa-pNao kLto.
pNa eKadI kivataÊ jar kuNaI Aaplyaa vaOya>Ik jaIvanaaXaI Qa$na kolaolaI Asaola AaiNa %yaa vya>Icao
vaOya>Ik jaIvana vaacakalaa maaihtI nasaola ikMvaa %yaa vya>Iba_la jar maaihtIca ]plabQa nasaola
tr vaacakanao kaya kravaoÆ ]da. ga`osaca Gyaa. %yaaMcao vaOya>Ik jaIvana tumacyaa pOkI iktI jaNaaMnaa
zavaUk AahoÆ %yaaMcyaa kivata %yaaMcyaa jaIvanaaXaI inagaDIt Aahot Asao mhNatat maga %yaaMcao jaIvana
samajaa}na Gyaayalaa kahI saaih%ya Aaho kaÆ ha Jaalaa ga`osacaa ivaYaya pNa [tr AjaUna kvaI jyaaMcyaa
kivata %yaaMcyaa vaOya>It jaIvanaaXaI inagaDIt Aahot %yaaMnaa jar %yaaMcyaa vaOya>It jaIvanaaivaYaayaI
ivacaarlao Asata to tumhalaa saaMgaU XaktIla kaÆ maagao [qao eka vya>InaI kvaca naavaacaI ek kivata
kolaI hÜtI. vya>I Ôar p`isawa Aaho. naava saaMgat naahI. malaa Aqa- Ôar ]majalaa navhta mhNaUna maI
Aqa- ivacaarlaa Asata AmaUk AmaUk ka ilaihlao ho ivacaa$ nakÜsa to maaJao vaOya>Ik Aaho Asao saaMgaUna
Aqa- pUNa- kolaa. ho saaMgaayacao ta%pya- kLlao Asaolaca²
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Beti
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| Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 2:18 am: |
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yash, kawitA samajAyalA kaweeche waiyaktik jeewan samjAyalAch hawe ase nAsate re... kawitechA sandarbh caleidoscopesArkhA asato--- pratyek wAchakAchya konAtoon wegaLee nakshee disate tichee....kuThalyAhe konAtoon nakshee disatech..ApaN ApalyAla kAy kaLate te pahAwe. apalyA anubhawatoon kawitA wAchAwee. fAr tar, 'asech na?' ase wichArAwe.... waiyaktik AyuShya chawhAtyAwar mAnDAyalA kuNalAch AwaDat nAhee sahasA... tyAbaddal wichAroohee naye. tee wyaktee waiyaktik anubhaw tumachyAsamor kawitetoon mAndate... arthbodh kareet basaNe tiche kAm nasate re.. kAhee weLA lok suruwAt karoon dyAyalA chAngulpaNAne madat karatAthee--mag mArg apaN shodhAwa--sArakha dependence asoo naye-- AtA hech bagh, tulA arth kaLalA nAhee mhaNoon grace kA samjawoon sAngaNar Ahet? mag diwangat kawee lokAche kAy karAyache? agadee rahAwale nAhee mhAnoon he lihile.. rAg mAnoo nakos.
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waiyaktik AyuShya chawhAtyAwar mAnDAyalA kuNalAch AwaDat nAhee sahasA... tyAbaddal wichAroohee naye. >> ho malahee hech mhaNayache aahe. ajaaN paNe mee poorvee ase bedhaDakapaNe prashna karayacho paN aataa tashya chookaa hot naaheet. (he malaa mazya eka priy maybolikar mitrakaDoonach shikayala miLalele aahe.) 'RAR' aaNi 'Ashishchaskar' hyanna kaweeche personal life jaNun ghetale pahije ase mhaNayache aahe. maze mhaNane itakech kee te jar shakya asel tar chhanach aaNi ichchhook vachak te jaNun ghyayacha prayatna karateelahee paN nasel ekhadhyachee tayaree swata:baddal sangat basanyachee mag ashyaweLee tyanchya kawita hya manat gooDh'ch rahatat? kahinna tya kaLatat karaN tyanche anubhaw tya kawiteshee parallel asatat mhaNoon! Aso.. posting baddal man:poorvak aabhar!
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Rar
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| Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 5:26 pm: |
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malahi tech mhnayche aahe...kavita vachtana shabdancha aaswad atishya mahatvaca... pun samjun ghetana mahit aasel tar uttam..ase maze mat aahe... ani mala mhanayche hote..ki jeevan mahit aasnaypeksha..kontya "vichratun" ti kavita janmala aali he matwache..ani kahi kavinchya babtit tyanchy ajeevancha/ tyanchya bhalya-burya anubhvancha tyanchya jeevanavar ani likhnavar thasa umatlela disto... tuze mhanne mala patte..pun aasahi vichar kela tar chuk aahe ka? pun maja yet aahe discussion la...
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Saurabh
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| Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 5:57 pm: |
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ga`osa (aMcyaa kavyaXaOlaI ba_la baÜlatanaa ga`osa (aMnaI svatÁca svatÁcyaa kivatoba_la kolaolyaa Aa%maicaMtnaba_la
³saajaNavaoLa cyaa pUvaa-Qaa-cyaa saurvaatIlaa Aaho to´ [qalyaa laÜkaMcao kaya mhNaNaM AahoÆ XabdmayaIÊ
XabdvaolhaL AaiNa Aqa-kahUr kivata² maI tr (a doKIla f> XabdaMvarca KUYa Aaho.
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Rar
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| Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 7:17 pm: |
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are...mala hi te far aavdate... awat:chya kavitanbaddal aase bolne far aavghad aahe... aapli kavita kontya jatichi aahe..ticha pind kay he kavine swat:ch sangitale aahe..he oolkhane far aavghad aasave ase mala vatte... te aasehi kahi mhnatat na..."mazi kavita eka betasarkhi aahe...betavar lok ektar sutti ghalvayla yetat kiva udhnlelya samudrapasun swat:che rakshan karnyasathi...ithun parat jatana hodi milelach yachi mi shaswati det nahi...swat:lach hodi banun jave lagte"... mala shabda nakki aathvat nahit..pun aashay aasch aasava
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Paragkan
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| Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 2:45 pm: |
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Beti: 'saajaNveLaa' miLaali kaa ga? saurabh: 'te' shabd kharach aawaDale!
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dovanaagarI ilahaÊ dovanaagarI vaacaa Ê dovanaagarI iXaka....
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risakÊ dusaáyaa BB var marazIsaazI vaad CoDlaa Aahosa..... AaiNa [qao tuca imaMiglaXa vaaprtÜyasa ... maI yaa page varIla Ô> 3 - 4 postings vaacalyaa imaMiglaXamauLo....
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Ravyasarag - mee miglish kaa lihita mhaNoon vaad mandalela naahee. aani ekhad don lahan sahan messages miglish madhe lihayala harkat nahee asehee mhantalele aahe. ja, parat jauun vach to BB.
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iXavyaasauwa Va pNa dovanaagarItca...
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are baap re. ithe tar sab kuchh grace ahe. surwatilach "dharampetheteel Bhajibajar" wachla, pan mala tyancha postal address hava ahe mitranno..
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Robinhoood, tuJaa naaiXakcaa phone number Asaola tr post kr ... maI bahutok itqao yaona
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Finally , punishment swikarat ahe -- GanaanaI vaaklaolaa maI ÔulaanaI Jaaklaolaa maI jaraXaa mand spXaa-nao manaalaa kmp ka sauTtÜ Æ kQaIcao $p iBajalaolao tmaatIla gaar vanara nadIcyaa XauBa` QaaranaI nadIcaa ]r ka ÔuTtÜ Æ manaatuna vaahNaarI hI yaugaancaI AanQaLI gaaNaI jarasao KÜla baGatanaa gaL\yaatUna Xabd ka ÔuTtÜ Æ
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This poem is about creation , creativity and the very exitment as well as frustration which is so inevitable in any synergistic process . I like this poem as the content and the form goes without criss-crossing each other . The poem is as good as T. S. Eliot's Love Song of Pual Alfred .
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